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spike_spiegel7



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:42 am Reply with quote
i watch wolf's rain on cartoon network, and just watched the episode where spoiler[hige, tsume, and blue die and at the end of the episode kiba is walking in the city and you see hige, tsume, and toboe appear as if something catches their attention.] i don't know if this is true, but i heard there was a different ending or "true ending" to the series or something and was wondering if this is true and if so is it the ova? on this site it lists the wolf's rain ova as the final four episodes. any help or clarification is greatly appreciated thanks^^

another question is when spoiler[darcia's eye "poison's" the flower that grows on top of it and then u see a shot of a flower in the city later. does that mean he is still alive in some form or just leaves an opening for another season if they wanted?"]
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 9:20 am Reply with quote
There is no alternate ending to the Wolf's Rain series, which was concluded by a four episode OAV and what CN showed you. So yes, you saw the end, you didn't miss anything.

spoiler[As far as Darcia's eye, which was his wolf's eye, I tend to think this was a suggestion that even though the world was renewed it would eventually sicken and die again, the cycle of life and death and all that. Also, Darcia was destroyed as he tried to reach Paradise, suggesting that he ahd become something so unnatural that he was not allowed to exist any longer. All that remained of him was the eye, which, if you'll remember, Darcia kept insisting was a sign of his true self (and that of many humans), which used to be wolf. If his true self sickened the flower, does that mean the eye, and therefore the wolf, is evil? I prefer to think that Darcia acquired the eye through evil means and that he wasn't innocently reverting to his true wolf form at all. Thus, the eye wasn't of wolf nature and an unnatural thing, which is why it poisoned the flower. This would support my theory that Darcia was destroyed because he had become unnatural and fits with themes in Wolf's Rain that point to human tampering with the earth as the cause of its sickening. And, though the world is reborn, the evil inherent in man remains (as does the eye). You can easily draw many more analogies from the series and the final few minutes of the OAV along these lines.]

Hope that helps. hehe
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:01 am Reply with quote
spike_spiegel7 wrote:
i watch wolf's rain on cartoon network, and just watched the episode where spoiler[hige, tsume, and blue die and at the end of the episode kiba is walking in the city and you see hige, tsume, and toboe appear as if something catches their attention.]

I figured it was showing that everything was reborn, only to start over again (kinda along the lines of what DriftRoot was saying)
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Angel Of Death



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 10:19 pm Reply with quote
DriftRoot wrote:
There is no alternate ending to the Wolf's Rain series, which was concluded by a four episode OAV and what CN showed you. So yes, you saw the end, you didn't miss anything.

spoiler[As far as Darcia's eye, which was his wolf's eye, I tend to think this was a suggestion that even though the world was renewed it would eventually sicken and die again, the cycle of life and death and all that. Also, Darcia was destroyed as he tried to reach Paradise, suggesting that he ahd become something so unnatural that he was not allowed to exist any longer. All that remained of him was the eye, which, if you'll remember, Darcia kept insisting was a sign of his true self (and that of many humans), which used to be wolf. If his true self sickened the flower, does that mean the eye, and therefore the wolf, is evil? I prefer to think that Darcia acquired the eye through evil means and that he wasn't innocently reverting to his true wolf form at all. Thus, the eye wasn't of wolf nature and an unnatural thing, which is why it poisoned the flower. This would support my theory that Darcia was destroyed because he had become unnatural and fits with themes in Wolf's Rain that point to human tampering with the earth as the cause of its sickening. And, though the world is reborn, the evil inherent in man remains (as does the eye). You can easily draw many more analogies from the series and the final few minutes of the OAV along these lines.]

Hope that helps. hehe

Wow. You just made it a lot deeper than I took it. Thanks. Smile
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DriftRoot



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:54 am Reply with quote
Angel Of Death wrote:
Wow. You just made it a lot deeper than I took it. Thanks. Smile


LOL, no problem. On the other hand, when people used to ask me how I did so well in college, I always would reply, "I mastered the art of impressive b.s."

In other words, I can create a lot of fuss and nonsense that sounds intelligent even from the most ridiculous of theories. One reason I love philosophy, you're only a lunatic if what you're saying makes no sense. Smile

On that note, I would like to say that I don't think those final four episodes were anything stupendously brilliant - more like something that can SEEM brilliant from certain angles. I didn't like the ending of the series, I thought it was kind of a cop-out, even if it did wrap things up in a convenient, mostly logical manner. I probably did make it a lot deeper than it actually is.
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spike_spiegel7



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:13 pm Reply with quote
DriftRoot wrote:
Angel Of Death wrote:
Wow. You just made it a lot deeper than I took it. Thanks. Smile


LOL, no problem. On the other hand, when people used to ask me how I did so well in college, I always would reply, "I mastered the art of impressive b.s."

In other words, I can create a lot of fuss and nonsense that sounds intelligent even from the most ridiculous of theories. One reason I love philosophy, you're only a lunatic if what you're saying makes no sense. Smile

On that note, I would like to say that I don't think those final four episodes were anything stupendously brilliant - more like something that can SEEM brilliant from certain angles. I didn't like the ending of the series, I thought it was kind of a cop-out, even if it did wrap things up in a convenient, mostly logical manner. I probably did make it a lot deeper than it actually is.


just curious, what didn't u like about the ending? spoiler[it kinda suprised me that they killed everyone except kiba, but i kinda prefer endings where they kill someone of importance dunno why. also, does anyone think that kiba, toboe, hige, and tsume know each other in the renewed world?]
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:34 am Reply with quote
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spoiler[it kinda suprised me that they killed everyone except kiba, but i kinda prefer endings where they kill someone of importance dunno why. also, does anyone think that kiba, toboe, hige, and tsume know each other in the renewed world?]]

well.. first of all: I really like Wolf`s Rain and I think its a great series. But if you strip if off all the patos, and exagerated drama you will be left with a medicore series with predictable events. But still... there is something to this anime which makes me watch it over and over again.
And about your question: spoiler[I think they dont know each other but they will meet soon again. The world was reset so they probably lost their memories and are 100% human now. ]
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:31 am Reply with quote
What I didn't like about the ending was the dark melodrama - it took itself too seriously. If you consider the rest of the series, there were definate messages of hope, conflict resolution, moral values triumphing etc. that clashed with the death and despair of the OAV finale. My opinion of the series as a whole would be higher if the ending had conformed to what (I at least) was being led to believe.

Wolf's Rain is of questionable quality when you start nitpicking it apart. You can overlook a lot of its flaws by focusing on its accomplishments, real or imagined. I prefer not to rip it apart and take it as a whole, including the OAVs, which is why I have a problem with the ending, which just doesn't seem to fit with everything leading up to it. Although a lot of issues were resolved as far as character relationships, which I liked... *shrug* Far be it for me to dictate what I think should have happened instead, all I can do is feel unhappy about the ending as it is. Call it personal preference, opinion, whatever, to each their own.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 4:52 pm Reply with quote
spike_spiegel7 wrote:
spoiler[...also, does anyone think that kiba, toboe, hige, and tsume know each other in the renewed world?]

they did seem to recognize each other, which leads me to believe that they still have some memories of each other, subconsiously(sp?)
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Angel Of Death



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 5:01 pm Reply with quote
DriftRoot wrote:
What I didn't like about the ending was the dark melodrama - it took itself too seriously. If you consider the rest of the series, there were definate messages of hope, conflict resolution, moral values triumphing etc. that clashed with the death and despair of the OAV finale. My opinion of the series as a whole would be higher if the ending had conformed to what (I at least) was being led to believe.

Wolf's Rain is of questionable quality when you start nitpicking it apart. You can overlook a lot of its flaws by focusing on its accomplishments, real or imagined. I prefer not to rip it apart and take it as a whole, including the OAVs, which is why I have a problem with the ending, which just doesn't seem to fit with everything leading up to it. Although a lot of issues were resolved as far as character relationships, which I liked... *shrug* Far be it for me to dictate what I think should have happened instead, all I can do is feel unhappy about the ending as it is. Call it personal preference, opinion, whatever, to each their own.

Interesting. Personally, I thought that spoiler[the apperance of Paradise in the last episode] was hopeful. I actually almost teared up watching that. (Not the first time that's happened to me with this show)
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LadyBizen



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:10 pm Reply with quote
DriftRoot wrote:
On that note, I would like to say that I don't think those final four episodes were anything stupendously brilliant - more like something that can SEEM brilliant from certain angles. I didn't like the ending of the series, I thought it was kind of a cop-out, even if it did wrap things up in a convenient, mostly logical manner. I probably did make it a lot deeper than it actually is.


Thank you for saying that!

I thought it was a huge cop out as well. For example, I nearly threw something at the television when spoiler[Kiba and Darcia as wolves circled each other in the yin/yang symbol. I felt as if I'd been hit over the head heavily with the whole good and evil have to be in balance for the world to exist thing.]

I'm glad I am not alone in this. I really disliked Wolf's Rain because of the heavy handedness in the storyline. I think you are right when you say it took itself too seriously. I felt as if I were being force-fed and I don't like having that done to me. The animation, OTOH, was complete eye candy and I got suckered in. That part was wonderful.
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