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Fafnir was banned because he sometimes plays 24 hours. Much longer then a human should be able to. Thus he's either using a bot or sharing his account. Both are violations that can get you banned.
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When MAPPA abuses their employees, their works are praised by your writers. When Uzumaid or some other vile show comes around you guys will just get that Theron Martin guy to give a gentle weekly analysis of the pedo characters adventures around small children. But a studio emerges from the worst massacre in post war Japanese history while still maintaining a healthy work environment, that's when you guys decide we need a reviewer that's gonna put the show in its place?

No wonder the abusive studios keep getting awards and big Netflix deals when treating your employees like human beings gets you this kind of analysis
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:21 am Reply with quote
So I heard later parts of Maidragon gets rather contentious due to the introduction of Illulu, and now I can see why with all the reasons stated. I do wonder what purpose Illulu will bring in terms of characters dynamics because it feels like she's an exaggerated combination of all the other 3 female dragons sans Tohru besides indulging in COOL's fetishes. Anime hyper

I will say there were a few gags that did make me laugh like the reason Ilulu stumpy hands were able to pick up stuff which brought back flashbacks of that Powerpuff Girls scene. Shocked
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jenthehen



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:31 am Reply with quote
These first two episodes felt exactly in line with the first season, and I find nothing incongruous with Ilulu's introduction thus far. There were so many great character beats with Tohru desperate to protect Kobayashi but not destroy the city, Kobayashi bribing Elma with food, and then Ilulu ended up sympathetic and fun, as well. The dick joke was even subdued and basically showed us how unbothered Kobayashi was, tbh. It could have been WAY more over the top. The show is just overall really GOOD if you liked the first season, and I'm pleased.

I also get kind of a wicked satisfaction when people bitch and moan over content creators letting their freak flags fly a bit in their creations. The "objectionable" parts in Dragon Maid are just so small and inconsequential and add to the flavor of a varied cast, imo. Sure, they aren't NEEDED, but if the creator (and anime adaptors) enjoy them, then too bad so sad, they're going in.
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paulchaested



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:36 am Reply with quote
SquadmemberRitsu wrote:
When MAPPA abuses their employees, their works are praised by your writers. When Uzumaid or some other vile show comes around you guys will just get that Theron Martin guy to give a gentle weekly analysis of the pedo characters adventures around small children. But a studio emerges from the worst massacre in post war Japanese history while still maintaining a healthy work environment, that's when you guys decide we need a reviewer that's gonna put the show in its place?


ANN in a nutshell.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:39 am Reply with quote
SquadmemberRitsu wrote:
When MAPPA abuses their employees, their works are praised by your writers. When Uzumaid or some other vile show comes around you guys will just get that Theron Martin guy to give a gentle weekly analysis of the pedo characters adventures around small children. But a studio emerges from the worst massacre in post war Japanese history while still maintaining a healthy work environment, that's when you guys decide we need a reviewer that's gonna put the show in its place?

No wonder the abusive studios keep getting awards and big Netflix deals when treating your employees like human beings gets you this kind of analysis


Personally I think that you should review a show based on its own merit and not what happens in the background. Just because a huge tragedy befell on KyoAni doesn't mean they should always get a pass if someone (in this case a reviewer) doesn't enjoy their works. I don't think it's fair to force a reviewer to radically change his/her opinion of a show/episode just because of production circumstances but maybe I'm in the minority.

With that being said, I enjoyed the first 2 episodes a lot that the big boobed dragon didn't bothered me as much, but I still respect the reviewer's opinion.
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paulchaested



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:49 am Reply with quote
joac101 wrote:


Personally I think that you should review a show based on its own merit and not what happens in the background. Just because a huge tragedy befell on KyoAni doesn't mean they should always get a pass if someone (in this case a reviewer) doesn't enjoy their works.


I think that’s exactly what’s happening here, these reviewers slam on other shows with questionable stuff like Goddess Dorm, Uzamaid, Redo of Healer, etc. but here, if we’re going by ANN’s standards, I feel like they’re not criticizing Dragon Maid like the other mentioned shows because oh well it’s done by KyoAni and they just recovered from a terrible disaster. I dunno, I smell double standard (as usual).

Disclaimer: I love Dragon Maid, I find it hilarious how degenerate Dragon Maid can get and I’m fully aware of CoolKyou’s hentai and doujinshi background.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:18 am Reply with quote
There's one thing I want to clarify before this criticism goes any further.

Whether Lynzee now or Zac and Jacob in the past, ANN's editors have never, ever given directives to reviewers about how episode or full reviews should be done, especially what topics should or shouldn't be focused on. That's all on the individual reviewers. To use the example that the first post seems to be referring to, I am the one who decided not to obsess on the more questionable side of Mushoku Tensei in my episode reviews, and I did so because I felt that there was a lot in the series to talk about besides that. If you want to think I let the series off too easy, that's fine, but that was my choice, not Lynzee's or the site's in general.

And I agree that a studio's tragic history doesn't give it a pass if the content of something they have created/adapted goes in questionable directions. Frankly, I could do without Ilulu's amply-endowed design (it's a distraction in a bad way and comes across as a hackneyed attempt to replicate the popularity of Hestia from DanMachi), but based on images I've seen in the manga, KyoAni was being faithful to the manga on that, so fans would have pitched a fit if they had toned down the design at all.

paulchaested wrote:
I feel like they’re not criticizing Dragon Maid like the other mentioned shows because oh well it’s done by KyoAni and they just recovered from a terrible disaster. I dunno, I smell double standard (as usual).

I didn't see Lynzee giving the series any leeway in this most recent view. Are your complaints meant to be about the first season's treatment?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:21 am Reply with quote
This show is awesome. Great animation, cute characters and funny pervy stuff. These are the kinds of creators and talent I feel are keeping genuinely entertaining good anime alive. Screw the sO PrObLeMaTiC reviewers. Totally agree with the comments so far and excited for the rest of the show! Almost hoping it gets even more "degenerate" to trigger more click bait worthy meme reviews.

Key wrote:
Frankly, I could do without Ilulu's amply-endowed design (it's a distraction in a bad way and comes across as a hackneyed attempt to replicate the popularity of Hestia from DanMachi)


What the hell kind of comparison is this? And from a mod? Do you mean "breasts"? Hestia's body type is one you could see in almost every mainstream anime. The characters and body types are completely different. At least Ilulu's design is jarring due to her short stature. I'm trying to figure out what you mean, like overtly "sexual" design? The comparison just doesn't work for me. Do you mean an out of the box character design? A fan service character? I'm just not sure why you chose Hestia as an example.

*thank you mods I just hated on for correcting my edit/double post. I respect you even if making this comment.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:28 am Reply with quote
I like the show, but that's 100% Kyoani, 0% original story. If the same story was adapted by an average studio it'd be downright awful, on the other side Kyoani could have adapted just another isekai trash it would have been just as good if not far better.

The penis joke were just extremely cringy, especially considering half of them were about Kobayashi apparently poping boner at light brush up against a children, yuk. Llulu show up in this world, attempt to kill tens of thousands of people, and we're supposed to want her to find happiness and peace (cause she look like a loli with massive bewbs). The guy after her come to our world, only attempt to kill her (for obvious reason, she did just try to kill way more peoples) but were supposed to hate him and cheer when he get "killed" (tough luck dude, should have been born with massive bewbs).
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:54 am Reply with quote
I'm glad KyoAni is back making shows and it was a tragedy what happened the company an its employees. However I agree that Ilulu's introduction and character are problematic and aspects of the show have always been of certain people's taste and distaste. We all have to decide how to grapple with difficult media based on their merits and demerits. I think reviews like this are very helpful and enlightening. Thank you Lynzee.

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Abraham Omosun



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When MAPPA abuses their employees, their works are praised by your writers.


Yes their works are praised, their working conditions and higher ups decisions are not

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But a studio emerges from the worst massacre in post war Japanese history while still maintaining a healthy work environment, that's when you guys decide we need a reviewer that's gonna put the show in its place?


I don't think anybody will argue that Kyoani is the gold standard in the anime industry and their return to it after the tragedy is equally as impress but that does not give them a free pass on criticism or disliking their shows.



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No wonder the abusive studios keep getting awards and big Netflix deals when treating your employees like human beings gets you this kind of analysis


You are really giving reviewers waaaayyy more power than they actually have. Also doesn't Kyoto animation also get awards?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:03 am Reply with quote
SquadmemberRitsu wrote:
When MAPPA abuses their employees, their works are praised by your writers. When Uzumaid or some other vile show comes around you guys will just get that Theron Martin guy to give a gentle weekly analysis of the pedo characters adventures around small children. But a studio emerges from the worst massacre in post war Japanese history while still maintaining a healthy work environment, that's when you guys decide we need a reviewer that's gonna put the show in its place?

No wonder the abusive studios keep getting awards and big Netflix deals when treating your employees like human beings gets you this kind of analysis


I really don't get the point of this comment.So just because KyoAni went through a tragedy the reviewers are supposed to overlook any sort of preblematic elements in their series? Don't you see how biased that sounds?The reviewer wasn't even that harsh in the review but even in the off chance she didn't mind those elements ,I think it's only fair to point them out for people who have low tolerance for that sort of thing.Personally I can look past those unsavory elements in favour of the more wholesome/comedic stuff but I can still see how someone can get uncomfortable/put off by these elements and it's only fair for a warning to exist in an offical review.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:03 am Reply with quote
SquadmemberRitsu wrote:
When MAPPA abuses their employees, their works are praised by your writers.


animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2021-07-06/mappa-new-studio-annex-will-improve-the-workplace-environment/.174836

animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2021-07-02/animator-ippei-ichii-says-netflix-anime-produced-at-mappa-paid-bottom-rates/.174701

animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2021-05-18/former-mappa-animator-describes-working-conditions-as-like-a-factory/.172930

Fun fact: the interest writers are also "my writers." I also wrote one of those.

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When Uzumaid or some other vile show comes around you guys will just get that Theron Martin guy to give a gentle weekly analysis of the pedo characters adventures around small children.


Uzamaid never got weekly streaming reviews here. It's only review was in the preview guide.

animenewsnetwork.com/preview-guide/2018/fall/uzamaid/.137781

Theron also doesn't contribute reviews here anymore, regardless of what you think of his opinions.

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But a studio emerges from the worst massacre in post war Japanese history while still maintaining a healthy work environment, that's when you guys decide we need a reviewer that's gonna put the show in its place?


None of my criticisms were directed at KyoAni. The review itself establishes that the material that some might find issue with stems from the original work by the original creator. In fact, the primary point is if you have a problem with Ilulu's design now, you weren't paying attention in the first season. This is normal for Dragon Maid.

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No wonder the abusive studios keep getting awards and big Netflix deals when treating your employees like human beings gets you this kind of analysis


Ah, yes. It is definitely my words on the internet here that landed Wit Studio an award at a completely different company (despite the fact that I was the one that published that George Wada quote I'm sure you're aware of). Pointing out a character has big tiddies and I didn't like the particular execution of a dick joke is surely contributing to the downfall of the industry.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:04 am Reply with quote
SquadmemberRitsu wrote:
No wonder the abusive studios keep getting awards and big Netflix deals when treating your employees like human beings gets you this kind of analysis


This made me lol. I think you’re exaggerating the amount of influence that ANN reviews have.
You need to calm down. The review doesn’t even seem to be criticising KyoAni… Did you even read the full review?
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