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INTEREST: Game Developer COLOPL Offers Monetary Awards to Staff Who Use ChatGPT for Work




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PipimiOden



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 4:54 pm Reply with quote
Trying to get coders to use AI to get a raise, eh? Is this really a good idea? I mean it could save time, but I dunno, I've seen someone learn from it, but I've mainly seen it make horrific mistakes so it might be a good idea to let it cook for a few more years before it can become good enough to be used as a good programming tool.

On that note, an “AI-driven society" would only work well if it's doing all the tedious office work perfectly so people can go do more creative ventures (and also enjoy said creative ventures), but for some reason society's trying to have it be the other way around? Seems pretty unfair to me.
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TasteyCookie



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 5:21 pm Reply with quote
A company that got sued for copyright infringement is all in on AI? What a surprise! Seriously though this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Anyone who is in tech knows how gpt and every other LLM currently available make shit up all the time, which makes them unusable to use as a replacement for anything technical. Unless they fundamentally change how the training process is done (ie linking sources for acquired 'knowledge', the ability to differentiate fact from fiction, etc.), that cannot be solved no matter how many years progress. It can certainly help write HR letters, or generic emails, but depending on it for coding, scripting, or anything that requires technical knowledge is a recipe for disaster. Can't wait for something to break during their game development, and no one can troubleshoot what the problem is because they have 100,000 lines of gpt code lol.
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SilverTalon01



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:02 pm Reply with quote
TasteyCookie wrote:
A company that got sued for copyright infringement is all in on AI? What a surprise! Seriously though this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Anyone who is in tech knows how gpt and every other LLM currently available make shit up all the time, which makes them unusable to use as a replacement for anything technical. Unless they fundamentally change how the training process is done (ie linking sources for acquired 'knowledge', the ability to differentiate fact from fiction, etc.), that cannot be solved no matter how many years progress. It can certainly help write HR letters, or generic emails, but depending on it for coding, scripting, or anything that requires technical knowledge is a recipe for disaster. Can't wait for something to break during their game development, and no one can troubleshoot what the problem is because they have 100,000 lines of gpt code lol.


I don't see this as being much different than other software tools. There are a lot of AI/ML applications that make training and deploying models faster and easier, and I've seen clueless people convince themselves their hot garbage is useful because the app created something for them. However, people creating harmful garbage with it doesn't mean the app is bad. It means you should can the idiots who don't know what they're doing.

You shouldn't rely on ChatGPT to code your whole app, but you shouldn't rely on a bunch of zero experience developers either. ChatGPT isn't going to replace your SMEs, and I don't think that is what this company is necessarily aiming to do. What they're probably aiming for is to replace some of the entry level positions because using ChatGPT is way cheaper and faster than training some new college grad. You're going to want to review the code produced by either rather than blindly accepting it.
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TasteyCookie



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SilverTalon01 wrote:
I don't see this as being much different than other software tools. There are a lot of AI/ML applications that make training and deploying models faster and easier, and I've seen clueless people convince themselves their hot garbage is useful because the app created something for them. However, people creating harmful garbage with it doesn't mean the app is bad. It means you should can the idiots who don't know what they're doing.

You shouldn't rely on ChatGPT to code your whole app, but you shouldn't rely on a bunch of zero experience developers either. ChatGPT isn't going to replace your SMEs, and I don't think that is what this company is necessarily aiming to do. What they're probably aiming for is to replace some of the entry level positions because using ChatGPT is way cheaper and faster than training some new college grad. You're going to want to review the code produced by either rather than blindly accepting it.


Oh, I totally agree, but the idiotic part is monetarily rewarding employees for doing so. That would be the same as rewarding people for using SE or some other knowledge base, but not rewarding them for using Github. It doesn't make sense. You should reward people for improving the efficiency/accuracy of their work, not pushing to implement a specific tool that already shouldn't be used for most of the things a Game Developer outputs. Plus, those low-level interns/software engineers grow into your senior devs, or branch out to other parts of the company. It just seems like most of the companies/people who push for LLM's fundamentally don't understand how they work, which perpetuates this horrific movement for ai right now, ethics be damned.
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harminia



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:00 pm Reply with quote
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in preparation for an AI-driven society.


Cripes, they've really given in huh. Throwing themselves at the feet of our eventual AI overlords, I guess.


So, what, staff are getting paid to find ways for the company to eventually use ChatGPT instead of paying staff?
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TyroKith



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:27 pm Reply with quote
I saw an article a couple months ago that at least one JPN company is making it a requirement that new employees know how to use ChatGPT for work purposes. I guess this goes hand-in-hand with that. AI is the future so I can't say I blame them.
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AsleepBySunset



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 9:10 pm Reply with quote
It'll sure suck for them when they have to debug their AI generated black box which neither chatGPT nor their programmers understand. Seriously, I'm so sick of AI generated everything.
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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:30 am Reply with quote
Maybe they can use it to create artwork

Just like a photograph that won the prestigious Sony World Photography Award was later revealed to be entirely AI-generated (i.e. the act never occurred)

"A Photographer Submitted an A.I.-Generated Image to a Prestigious Art Competition to Be ‘Cheeky.’ It Won a Top Prize Anyway - Boris Eldagsen has refused the award, saying his submission was intended to start a discussion about the use of A.I. in photography"

If top experts couldn't tell the difference................
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NeverConvex
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:54 am Reply with quote
TasteyCookie wrote:
Can't wait for something to break during their game development, and no one can troubleshoot what the problem is because they have 100,000 lines of gpt code lol.


I kind of love the idea of them just pointing ChatGPT at the entire codebase each time there's a bug and praying it fixes it, creating some entirely new and unexpected monstrosity in the process. Maybe throw an evolutionary programming algo or something on top, if it fails to compile. The whole premise of the game can be 'We have no better an idea what the game is or is about to become than you!'
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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:27 am Reply with quote
Samsung already did that with confidential source code Laughing

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Never forget that anything you share with ChatGPT is retained and used to further train the model. Multiple employees of Samsung's Korea-based semiconductor business plugged lines of confidential code into ChatGPT, effectively leaking corporate secrets that could be included in the chatbot's future responses to other people around the world.

The OpenAI user guide warns users against this behavior: "We are not able to delete specific prompts from your history. Please don't share any sensitive information in your conversations."

Samsung had allowed its engineers at the semiconductor division to use ChatGPT to help fix problems with source code.

In one of the accidents, an employee used the AI chatbot to optimize test sequences for identifying faults in chips that are highly confidential to companies. The employee copied the source code of a semiconductor database download program, entered it into ChatGPT, and inquired about errors.

In a separate case, an employee shared confidential code to try and find a fix for defective equipment.

In another case, an employee used ChatGPT to convert internal meeting notes into a presentation. These notes carried sensitive information that is not supposed to be shared with third parties.

To avoid making such mistakes in the future, Samsung Semiconductor is reportedly working on its own AI for the internal use of employees.

You might expect Samsung to ban ChatGPT right away after the leaks, but that’s not what happened. Instead, Samsung sought to educate its employees on the privacy risks of AI, telling them that whatever you tell ChatGPT, will end up on OpenAI’s external servers. That means once you spill the beans, there’s no going back — no way to retrieve this data. Samsung has also put a cap on how much data each employee can upload to ChatGPT, and warned that if anyone lets something slip again, it will pull the plug on ChatGPT’s use for good.

Samsung is not the first, but only the latest victim of its employees’ penchant to discuss sensitive matters with OpenAI’s chatbot. Other firms are learning the ropes on the go as well.

The leak is a real-world example of hypothetical scenarios privacy experts have been concerned about. Other scenarios include sharing confidential legal documents or medical information for the purpose of summarizing or analyzing lengthy text, which might then be used to improve the model. Experts warn that it may violate GDPR compliance, which is why Italy recently banned ChatGPT.


So ya may find your confidential legal or medical information on the ChatGPT responses. Laughing
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