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NEWS: Sword Art Online Alternative: Gun Gale Online II Anime Reveals October Premiere in 2nd Teaser




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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 11:45 pm Reply with quote
Can't wait!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 11:58 pm Reply with quote
I feel rather mixed on this.

I actually did enjoy the 1st season. But this is still part of the franchise and in turn it makes me think of the last part of the Alicization arc. Thus, bringing me to a bit of a "conundrum".

I did not like how the last part of the Alicization arc was handled. Simply put; a lot of crucial content for its writing & narrative were cut, while at the same time forcing in "filler content" that felt out of place.

After watching that, that was it. I thought to myself, I'm done supporting the franchise (I didn't even watch the Progressive Films). But then that also means stop supporting Alternative Gun Gale.

So, I'm rather mixed on watching the 2nd season of Alternative Gun Gale.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:32 am Reply with quote
@DarkJak2050 I suggest keeping in mind that SAO Alt GGO was not written by Reki Kawahara but Mr. Sigsawa (Sigsauer, as in the gun mfg!) who also wrote Kino's Journey, so liking this isn't directly supporting the SAO franchise or Reki so much as it is supporting better written stories only peripherally related to SAO. I feel much the same, Ep1-12 of SAO was the only "good" SAO IMO, derisively laughed at Alicization, have personal boycott on Progressive but love Alt GGO and have been wishing for more! As long as they don't screw it up somehow...
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:35 am Reply with quote
I’m quite excited for this.
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DarkJak2050 wrote:
I feel rather mixed on this.

I actually did enjoy the 1st season. But this is still part of the franchise and in turn it makes me think of the last part of the Alicization arc. Thus, bringing me to a bit of a "conundrum".

I did not like how the last part of the Alicization arc was handled. Simply put; a lot of crucial content for its writing & narrative were cut, while at the same time forcing in "filler content" that felt out of place.

After watching that, that was it. I thought to myself, I'm done supporting the franchise (I didn't even watch the Progressive Films). But then that also means stop supporting Alternative Gun Gale.

So, I'm rather mixed on watching the 2nd season of Alternative Gun Gale.


Homie, this show and the main show are handled by 2 different studios. Main show is by A-1, this here is by Studio 3Hz.

So just… go for it and see what happens. No one's gonna kill you just for checking it out. Besides, I believe simply watching and supporting something are 2 very different things. Go for the Progressive films too if curiosity ever gets the better of you.
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Hiroki not Takuya wrote:
I suggest keeping in mind that SAO Alt GGO was not written by Reki Kawahara but Mr. Sigsawa (Sigsauer, as in the gun mfg!) who also wrote Kino's Journey, so liking this isn't directly supporting the SAO franchise or Reki so much as it is supporting better written stories only peripherally related to SAO...


Eddy2 wrote:
Homie, this show and the main show are handled by 2 different studios. Main show is by A-1, this here is by Studio 3Hz.


Yet, it's still part of the franchise.

Eddy2 wrote:
So just… go for it and see what happens. No one's gonna kill you just for checking it out. Besides, I believe simply watching and supporting something are 2 very different things. Go for the Progressive films too if curiosity ever gets the better of you.


In some cases, giving it a view on legal streaming platforms is an indicator of "support". And as for the Progressive films. They're just "remakes" of the main series' 1st arc. So, my decision to pass on them still stands.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:05 pm Reply with quote
DarkJak2050 wrote:
I feel rather mixed on this.

I actually did enjoy the 1st season. But this is still part of the franchise and in turn it makes me think of the last part of the Alicization arc. Thus, bringing me to a bit of a "conundrum".

I did not like how the last part of the Alicization arc was handled. Simply put; a lot of crucial content for its writing & narrative were cut, while at the same time forcing in "filler content" that felt out of place.

Curious as to what filler content you felt there was in the last part, because the only one I can recall is the forcing in of Eiji and Yuna from Ordinal Scale (which was, admittedly, somewhat clumsy). Not much was trimmed, either. Or are you referring to before War of Underworld started?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 6:39 pm Reply with quote
DarkJak2050 wrote:
I feel rather mixed on this.

I actually did enjoy the 1st season. But this is still part of the franchise and in turn it makes me think of the last part of the Alicization arc. Thus, bringing me to a bit of a "conundrum".

I did not like how the last part of the Alicization arc was handled. Simply put; a lot of crucial content for its writing & narrative were cut, while at the same time forcing in "filler content" that felt out of place.

After watching that, that was it. I thought to myself, I'm done supporting the franchise (I didn't even watch the Progressive Films). But then that also means stop supporting Alternative Gun Gale.

So, I'm rather mixed on watching the 2nd season of Alternative Gun Gale.


This is largely because SAO had a massively successful movie release called Ordinal Scale. SAO now mainly makes money through movies. The light novels while they do sell a ton, their releases are much slower. The english translations are completely caught up
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 6:52 pm Reply with quote
Key wrote:
Curious as to what filler content you felt there was in the last part, because the only one I can recall is the forcing in of Eiji and Yuna from Ordinal Scale (which was, admittedly, somewhat clumsy). Not much was trimmed, either. Or are you referring to before War of Underworld started?


That. That's exactly it. For me, it felt out of place. As for the trimmed parts.

spoiler[It was Asuna fighting in front of the narrow passage/ruins. They cut out parts where she fought off multiple waves of Red Knights and especially Lance Troopers that actually gave her a difficult time (More on this later) This was just before the ALO players arrived. The anime also cut out some subtle details from that part. Mainly, her outfit being in terrible shape & being soaked in blood. One of the things that I've picked up when I read that part in the Light Novels (and in one of the anime trailers) is that War is just straight up terrible. And those subtle details I've mentioned showed signs of it. Showing the difficulty, the violence & brutality of it.]

spoiler[Going back to those Lance Troopers, those guys gave her a difficult time. Particularly with the significant reach advantage over her. And she was aware that those Lance Troopers can do something that she outright feared & can be catastrophic. Yet, they didn't (More on this later). She took them down, but she didn't get out of it unscathed. One part is where she noticed one of the Underworld Guardians (who was around the same age as her) was about to be killed by one of those Lance Troopers. She was able to save him by getting in-between him & the Lance Trooper. But she took that lance right into the midsection! That lance was protruding out of her back by 3 feet to exact. Because she was using a Super account, she was able to survive such a hit. If she was using her Undine avatar from ALO, that would've "killed" her on the spot. Remember in the anime that one of the Red Knights saying "Screw this! I'm logging out!" due to a mixture of shock & anger before Asuna impaled his face? That Red Knight was supposed to be that Lance Trooper who impaled Asuna. If you've saw the anime after reading the source material, you can understand that Lancer Trooper's shock & anger. And you wouldn't laugh it off. But if you just watched the anime, odds are you would've just laughed it off & took it as a "light/comical" moment, when in actuality it isn't. After that, Asuna pulled that Lance out of her and fought on with her outfit in shambles, being soaked in blood & now with a gaping hole in her midsection. Continuing to hold off waves of Red Knights, despite the condition she's in. Conditions that would've stopped anyone.]

spoiler[One thing that stood out to me with those details being cut, is "downplaying" one aspect. Even though Asuna's the "good guy" of the story, those details can give the impression of how much of a monster she could become. And war can do this to a person. But with those details being cut, she was put under the "wrong light" in that aspect.]

spoiler[Later those Lance Troopers appeared again, it was when the ALO players were fighting those Red Knights. Here is where the ALO players are in a tough spot and had to make the decision to continue fighting or surrender. But then, those Lance Troopers did the one thing Asuna feared. Throwing their lances like an artillery barrage and it had devastating effect. Both physically & psychologically. This is what made the ALO players (understandably) surrender.]

One of the "taglines" in the anime trailer for this part in the Alicization arc was "War is Hell". Those cut parts I've mentioned would've represented it. With those parts being cut, it felt like that it was "undersold" overall.

I'm going to stop here, that's a lot more than I wanted to post. And just typing this out is making my blood boil out of dissatisfaction for the main series.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:51 pm Reply with quote
DarkJak2050 wrote:
That. That's exactly it. For me, it felt out of place. As for the trimmed parts.

I was rereading the novels as I was doing the episode reviews for this season, and I think you're getting unreasonably picky about this. While I have some quibbles with the adaptation in other places, I didn't think those scenes lost any thematic impact by not following the novels line-for-line. Sometimes scenes that seem fine in novel form just don't fit into the flow well in anime form.

But if that's what has got you up in arms to the point of disengaging with the franchise, then you're best off staying away, as the Progressive movies (which only generally follow their source novels) will probably make you much more upset.
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Key wrote:
But if that's what has got you up in arms to the point of disengaging with the franchise, then you're best off staying away, as the Progressive movies (which only generally follow their source novels) will probably make you much more upset.


As far as I know, I've disengaged from the Main series. Also, I've mentioned beforehand that I didn't even bother with the Progressive films and to further iterate, I have no plans on doing so.

It's Alternative Gun Gale that's keeping me engaged. Perhaps it's because I've only watched the anime adaptation (and enjoyed it). Which then brings me to the "Conundrum" I'm in.

Since Alternative Gun Gale doesn't air until Fall 2024, I'll use the time until then to think things over. Sad
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