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darkhunter



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 7:09 pm Reply with quote
Lack of topic on the manga forum and there's nothing really interesting to discuss. We difeinitely need more manga reader.

Anyways, what are some of the longest running manga you know of. I know Hajime no Ippo is on volume 70 (wow that's a lot). And do you feel that manga becomes boring if it's too long or do they stay fresh and please the devoted fan. I think manga pass 30 volume is pretty long.
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Grieving Chaos



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 7:51 pm Reply with quote
Well, the longest one that I've read is GTO, which just reached it's 20th volume. So far I've no problem with it's length - but then again, I also grew up on american comics, which generally don't end unless cancelled. I'm used to a series running long.
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jfrog



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:31 pm Reply with quote
I hate long running manga. I can't commit to long series and usually don't read them unless my library starts carrying it. Someone needs to go over to Japan and tell their comic artists that it's OK to not compete with Henry Darger.
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Kagemusha



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:07 pm Reply with quote
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I hate long running manga. I can't commit to long series and usually don't read them unless my library starts carrying it. Someone needs to go over to Japan and tell their comic artists that it's OK to not compete with Henry Darger.


I'm in the thirties in Hajime no Ippo, and yet it still remains good. This may sound odd that a manga about boxing can remain interesting for so many volumes, but the storytelling is top notch and it focuses on characters, unlike most shonen manga. Its pretty had to have a manga that runs so long remain interesting, but Ippo does just that thanks to the skill of its author.
But the longest one i've heard of is serialized in Weekly Shonen Jump, and I don't know the name, but its over 150 volumes. Here's its sitehttp://jump.shueisha.co.jp/CGI/kame/index2.cgi
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Tagarth



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:32 pm Reply with quote
Don't.. have... money!

Considering I have to pay close to twenty bucks a tokyo-pop, I cant afford to buy a long running manga. I like collecting 3-10 volumes, anything less is just to short, and anything more would have to be pretty darn good.

Unfortunatly, the local Manga/anime stores here like taking advantage of the otaku (As if anime isn't expensive enough). I could buy stuff online, but I dont have a credit card, and sometimes it's even more expensive to ship stuff up here from the states then buying it in store.
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sacchan



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:40 pm Reply with quote
I love long manga. I think a series should have at least 10 volumes to have proper development, and ending between 15 -30 volumes seems just about right.

Some of my favorite series are that long:
Bara no Tameni 16 volumes
Basara 27 volumes
Boku no Chikyuu wo Mamotte (Please Save My Earth) 21 volumes
Hana no Asuka Gumi 27 volumes + some gaiden
Oishii Kankei 16 volumes

But there is such a thing as being too long, especially when the mangaka keeps the ending dangling, like Garasu no Kamen (41 volumes, don't know when the next will come out, if it ever will).
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jfrog



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:36 am Reply with quote
Yeah, it's a money thing for me, too. I can't really afford to buy more than one series at a time, so I like manga to be short and over with quick so I can move on to something else. I probably won't buy anything that's over ten volumes unless it's godly, like Phoenix. For example: I want to read Berserk quite badly, but my library doesn't carry it, none of my friends are interested in getting it so I can mooch off of them, and I doubt that it'll be worth the cumulative cost of $400 (and probably more, because it's still going in Japan).

And I don't think something needs to be long to have proper development. Nausicaa did it in four to seven volumes (depending on the printing), Black and White did it in three, and Domu wrapped everything up perfectly in just one volume.
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Kagemusha



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:02 am Reply with quote
I've caught up on Vagabond and Blade of the Immortal (which is so damn slow that getting money isn't an issue,), which are the two long series I'm really into at the moment, and I can leech other long series from my peoples, so I'm in a good position I suppose. I agree about the short series statement too, some of my favorite things were listed in your post.
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sacchan



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:26 am Reply with quote
OK, I'll revise my statement. I think a shoujo manga usually needs at least 10 volumes for proper development. A shorter series can be also entertaining, but I want time to get to know each character and the relationships between them. That way, I care much more about what happens to them. I don't think I would have loved PSME or BASARA or KareKano so much if they were condensed into a compact 2-4 volume series (like what happened to their anime versions, except for KareKano, but that's still only half of the manga).
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Sarki-Kun



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:52 am Reply with quote
Well, the first four volumes of Kare Kano don't represent what it's the story about...Specially, after 13th volume, where spoiler[the actions comes back to Arima and Yukino, and Arima's real parents start to appear,]etc.

Some long series start being really bad when they arrive at really high volumes. Let's say, a short manga, or it's good, or it's bad. A long manga, it can be really good at the beggining, then turning bad at the midddle volumes, and then, return back with an splendid final.

I don't like most long mangas, and I either hate when it costs to me a lot of money. However, I usually mangas with 1-15 volumes...But that doesn't mean a long manga can be all time good. Let's see if I find some of them...^^
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kimi kudo



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:19 am Reply with quote
I prefere a manga to have 10 - 20 volumes max. but some long mangas are good like Detective Conan ( case closed ) it has 45 volumes and still runing in Japan . Though it is long the plot is developing in a great way .
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radicaledward



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:43 pm Reply with quote
It all depends on what the manga is. Some such as Ah! My Goddess is near thirty volumes in Japan right now, but each volume is roughly independent of the others. However, then you may have a series like Love Hina which is just long (it could have been at least two volumes shorter). So it all depends. I can forgive a long series if the story requires that long to be told, but when there is a lag in the middle of the series I tend to get annoyed about it.
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aoie_emesai



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:44 pm Reply with quote
if more then 15 mangas i dont think its worth it anymore, unless its got a superb story and has the rating of 11/10, and thats the rating of everyone, not the otakus!
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Arkard



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:53 pm Reply with quote
The most volume manga that I won is DragonBall (damn, 42 volumes is a hell alot). I used to buy this when I was much younger. Still, I am pretty proud that I could get the whole series. DB doesnt excite me as much as it did in the past but... looking at those 42 volumes at my shelf, a man cant stop feeling proud of himself Wink
But it wasnt easy to keep buying a new volume of DB every month and later every 2 weeks. I had to do more choires at home, sell some of my stuff... well the money problem is one of the reasons I sometimes dont like long runing stories.
But if we are talking about a series that is under 20 then thats OK. The best example for me is I''s. Enough volumes, great character development, perfect ending.
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Sarki-Kun



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:09 pm Reply with quote
I''S?? Eh Confused?? You're probably refering to the long volumes, since I've seen the manga at 30 "mini-mangas"...
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