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Greed1914
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I don't think I've heard of a show doing it this way, but I'm not entirely surprised that TMS would try it. They seem to want to get their older titles out there and are more hands on lately with stuff like Lupin, and 30 years of episodes is a barrier. We already have guides out there for what is 'skippable' for shows like Naruto and One Piece, so actively presenting it that way is worth a try.
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James02
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I don't think that this is enough to bring it to a new audience. They should advertise this more and across other platforms. They also should not be unorthodox with releasing episodes
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FlamingFirewire
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I was a die-hard fan of the original FUNimation cast, and when that reached it's end after 123 (JP count) episodes, 6 movies, plus that 1 Wii game, I figured Conan wouldn't receive any more dubbed content. It's been quite a while (and there has been that smattering of specials and movies with a different cast), so it's nice to see TMS care enough to try this approach.
This current cast is honestly pretty great, and really falls in line with the feel of the FUNimation cast - they stand on their own as well, but I was surprised at just how right & comfortable it felt versus other times I've heard things get re-dubbed with new casts. I really hope this becomes a successful endeavor so that we can continue receiving the classic Conan that's been unavailable in English up to now. If they could get this cast to do all of the unaccounted for Conan back catalog of movies, that would be pretty great too. On the style of episode batches: While most shows I would be opposed to this, there are a TON of anime original episodes in Conan's 1000+ ep run which are not so great. If they focus on alternatiing between dubbing all the Plot relevant episodes via Black Organization eps, character introduction arcs, the Metropolitan Police Arc episodes, and then fill in occasionally with Manga-cases (that aren't directly plot relevant) - I think you could have much better viewership retention. Here's to hoping there's more with this cast & that someone releases these batches to disc ar some point. |
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BalmungHHQ
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This is a great interview!
The new dub has been an absolute delight to listen to, and I can recognize how much love and care has been put into the project. Ayu sounds like the perfect director for the job, and it's fun hearing about all the experiences of the actors tackling these iconic roles. This was a nice interview, and I can only hope this crew will be able to continue working on Conan for years to come! I really, really hope it all pays off for TMS.
Okay, what should they be doing instead? Ever since July, TMS has been pushing hard to promote Conan in almost every space they have access to. These new dubbed episodes are going up on Crunchyroll and Netflix, which are among the most-viewed streaming services for watching anime. TMS has been sharing this news across all of their social media, and CR & Netflix both have promoted it on their social media as well. On top of that, TMS was doing this roll-out among an entire weekly campaign that lasted 6 months where they streamed one of the first 26 Detective Conan movies each weekend on their Youtube. In addition to streaming some of the newly dubbed episodes (& sometimes subbed episodes) as special events on their Youtube as well. In these past 6 months, TMS has done more to advertise and put the Detective Conan series in front of the eyes of English-speaking fans than they ever have before. And have done a ton to express their earnest desire to get this series recognized among English anime fans. So please, if you think there is more they could be doing to get the series in front of more people, do let them know asap because it must be a great idea. (Honestly, the only piece of the puzzle that I feel is missing is getting these episode selections out on a cool Blu-ray release for the physical media crowd! I know I'd grab a copy Day 1, especially since the HD remastering done on these early Conan episodes is absolutely gorgeous!)
I disagree. It's way too late to try and get Detective Conan's "weekly family anime" structure to stick over here beyond the core fans already watching the weekly simulcast, especially among the contemporary English-speaking anime audience who hates "filler". While I wouldn't say it's been perfect, I will say the current approach is pretty darn good. Especially after the second batch of episodes came out and filled in a few loose ends, I think that the currently available episodes of the dub is a VERY solid group of episodes to not only get new fans invested in the core plot of the series, but also introduce them to many of the fan-favorite characters and give them an understanding of what kind of series Detective Conan is. Relatively speaking, we actually have most of the big highlight cases from the first third of the series currently dubbed into English now, which for a longtime fan like me honestly feels miraculous. I know it may not feel quite the same for newcomers, but I do think they'll get more out of the series story-wise through this approach than, for example, having to sit through over 100 episodes of random cases before getting introduced to a character as core to the series as Ai Haibara.
But I will say this much, there is a hurdle to convincing a new fan to check out a series where not every episode is being provided to them, that's true. But I also think that trying to get them to approach a series with 1000+ episodes like Conan in an orthodox manner is an even greater hurdle. Conan is not One Piece. Its TV series has a lot of padding and random cases-of-the-week written solely to fill broadcast slots over the past 30 years. |
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FanGamer24
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The select episode releases is probably the best way they could have ever released this to new audiences. My only criticism is that the episodes really need to be listed in chronological order or at least provide the option.
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James02
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I wasn’t aware of any advertising of this. Nor was I aware Netflix added this dub. Where are they doing that. UK? US? I only became aware of this dub from this article. |
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That Little Rapscallion
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This hodgepodge method of skipping around and random batches of episodes honestly sounds like one of the worst ways to experience any kind of media ever. Even skipping parts in JoJo would be preferable because presumably you'd still watch the later parts in order and not skip hundreds of episodes out of order like these dub releases of Detective Conan are doing.
I marathoned Detective Conan over a decade ago through fansubs. I know they can't officially advocate for that but.. that really is how you do it if you're interested in actually experiencing the series. |
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NJ_
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The USA accounts on Twitter, BlueSky & YouTube. https://x.com/tmsanime https://bsky.app/profile/tmsanime.com https://www.youtube.com/@AnimeonTMSOfficialChannel |
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db999
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The thing is most if the show is episodic mysteries, and the main plot is dripfed through the series, so it makes perfect sense when you have over 1000, half of which are filler, to focus not mostly on select sets of episodes. Don't get me wrong I do have issues with the episodes they selected, but I'm pretty sure it's because they want to start releasing and dubbing the episodes that haven't been released before. Let's not forget that the first 123 epiosdes, (all of the episodes before Ai shows up) have not only already been dubbed, but all of them are still on Crunchyroll, well the subbed versions are they've removed the OG dub. Also audiences attention spans have really gotten a lot shorter so I could see people being really frustrated at the lack of forward plot progression if they just releaed the series in order dubbed. So I think they're doing the right approach here especially if they want to at least release all of the important plot episodes that are completely unavailable in between episodes 123 and 754 |
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Gianben123
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The problem with the episode selection is that they skipped too much, even Contact with the Black Organization got skipped when it's literally Conan vs. the Black Organization.
Episode 345 is essentially meaningless if one haven't watched all of Detective Conan (at least the manga canon EPs) up until that point. Every twist is just a reveal now instead of payoffs. Even includes characters the selection not yet introduced like Heiji. It's like whoever is ordering the episodes to be dubbed has not watched the anime to see if they make sense for a new viewer. They're trying to patch things up with "Rivals of the Great Detective" selection but it just made things messy cause it's out of order chronologically due to the nature of being separated by selections. They don't even bother to list the episodes by their actual numbers like Haibara's debut being episode 129. Which is now "Season 1 Episode 4" on Crunchyroll. I'm convinced they’re not even trying to market to new audiences tbh. This is gauging the existing fanbase specifically. This approach could be more commendable if they at least release the subbed version of ep 124-753 in the west like what they're doing on Netflix Asia (SEA, India) with monthly batches of around 40 EPs separated by release year. So new viewers have more options instead of limited by such selections. |
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Fluwm
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I've been slowly making my way through the Conan anime over the past year (I think I started in March or April) and even winnowing the episodes I watch to the "no filler" ones (excising both anime filler and adaptations of manga cases that don't provide what the wiki very-liberally defines as "character development," "romantic progression," or any of the other qualities-deserving-of-a-special-icon) leaves me with an ENORMOUS amount of media to get through. Like around 600 episodes in total, I believe, which is just nuts.
Conan's in a bit of a weird spot among shounens, because it's so much more episodic and so less reliant on arcs, which basically makes it much more malleable to reshape into more accessible forms. Though ultimately, I think, I'm not sure the result is any better for introducing new fans to the series than the old procedure of simply catching whichever episode happens to be on TV at the time. And certainly I feel that the Netflix model of bunching themed-episodes together is at least a little misrepresentative of what the series is like.
You're tellin' me. I've gone out of my way to include some anime-only cases (basically anything with a title/premise that catches my interest) and some of them are just awful. I think the worst I've come across was one of the Eri Kisaki episodes -- I don't remember which, maybe the third one in the sequence -- where she behaves profoundly unethically (probably violating several laws as well, but I'm not familiar enough with the Japanese legal system to say). It, uh... isn't great. Then there are the celebrity cameo episodes which struggle to think of anything to do beyond "wouldn't it be cool to bring into the studio Ueto Aya to voice... Ueto Aya, I guess?" That said, it's not all-bad. I loved the Two-Mix episode. |
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xxmsxx
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This new push by TMS is the best they can do. Yes, they are missing a lot of episodes, but the point of a dub is get a general audience, not to get someone fully into the series. If you really care, you would need full access for everything (TV, movies, manga+). A general audience does not care. TMS does not want to spent whole bunch of money on this IP, only to have it flop, yet again.
As a long time fan (25 years+), I really appreciate the current method. The episode selection and the promotion is pretty decent. The audience size needs to widen before it can deepen. This series is extremely hard to pitch to anyone. Think about all those people only started watching anime in the past decade or so. Tell them to watch 1000+ episodes or watch 28 movies is not something a lot of people will do. What the series need is vibe check. This is exactly what TMS is doing. Sharing small highlights for people get a taste of the franchise. If you like what you see, you can go on your own to watch the whole thing illegally if you want, but legal availability will unlikely increase. What I do hope to come from this is the general audience for this franchise will grow steadily, so one day we will get a theatrical release of one of the movies that is not stuck in con-jail. A lot of countries already have theatrical releases (from East Asia to SE Asia to South Asia to Europe to Middle East to Australia+NZ). This can actually make some proper money. It is clearly a viable route, but without a more general audience, die hard fans like us are not going to cut it for a business case. Lastly, I never watch dub. But I still like the new dub, both the movies and the TV dubs are pretty decent. |
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Dr. Wily
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I feel like you're dead on. They're trying to get a feel for how much the fanbase will be into it, then maybe they'll keep filling in patches here and there if they start to pick up new fans. I would say "and maybe eventually they'll do the whole thing", but my cynical side can't see any modern company paying dub voice actors to do 30 years worth of material in TYOOL 2026. |
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Fluwm
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I'm not sure anyone's figured out if there even *is* a way to effectively market one of these ginormous shounen properties to new audiences particularly well, now that they can no longer reliably count of people (kids, I mean kids) just randomly catching an episode here or there while channel-surfing.
The movies are probably their best mechanism for onboarding new-fans, but even annual releases can only do so much. |
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Gianben123
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Anime + Movies 01-26 + 2 spin-offs https://files.catbox.moe/behxy3.jpg The list of seasons on DCW follows this order www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/Anime https://files.catbox.moe/lyaiag.jpg |
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