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Lemonchest
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:26 pm Reply with quote
New Cutie Honey this year. I thought I'd be more enthusiastic but, since they revealed the hug pillow before the trailer, I find it hard to care. Hopefully the story this time will be better than Anno's slash fiction, at least.

edit: Oh & I get the sense that anime viewers - at least as imagined by the people making it - have collectively decided that leaving school was the worst thing to happen to them, so maybe that's why characters from 20+ years ago stop aging with their audience around high school. Heck the current vogue seems to be for adults to regress back to being teenagers (or younger). Maybe it's better the digimon kids are still teenagers, because the alternative would probably be to start off with Tai slaving away as an office drone before being sucked back into his computer, where he's a kid again.

Well that & teenagers are the main target audience for new viewers in Japan, since there aren't enough kids left to sell toys to. Snagging the last generation left to turn into lucrative adult toy collectors.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:01 pm Reply with quote
So, you went to see Digimon, because NOBODY'S going back to see Star Wars:Last Jedi a second time?
Yeah, we hear ya, pal. Feel your pain. Confused

Still, at least you didn't give into the easy temptation to see Jumanji: Welcome to the Default December Movie instead.
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Absolutely not. As an "adult" myself, I have absolutely no interest in seeing fictional characters going through real-world problems. Frankly, I find that idea rather repugnant because it doesn't fit within the ethos of the world that they've established. The problem with sequels to old shows is that they need to strike a precarious balance between doing something new and sticking close to its roots. Unfortunately, few shows succeed at doing this. Digimon tri. seems to be made by people who don't understand the appeal of the original. For Sakura, on the other hand, they're repeating all of the story beats with little innovation. It's like they went back and tried to reverse engineer the original series but only managed it half-way. (I have much more to say about these two sequels, but I'll save that for their respective threads.)

In fact, I find the concept of sequels to old shows in general completely unnecessary. Why do people make sequels to shows that don't need continuations... Am I the only one of the opinion that some shows are better left untouched because they function as a great self-contained piece that works brilliantly as a product of its time, cemented in a certain part of our collective memories? I can understand that most fans get excited when more of the stuff they like gets produced, but I never really did see the point in seeing characters I like growing up. Sometimes, certain things are better left to the imagination as opposed to being solidified in canon. Do we really need to know what happens after happily ever after? Some stories work well because they have told everything there is to tell. Also, change is good, but change for the sake of change is not. What happens when a character you like grows up? Is that the same character you've come to know and love? More often than not... no. Growing up means growing apart. If you want to tell a new story, there is absolutely no reason to reuse old characters or settings.

Speaking of which... what about "good" sequels then? Well, interestingly enough, one of the anime sequels that I fully endorse is Diebuster or Gunbuster 2. So many people say that it can't beat the original and I agree. It doesn't attempt to beat it. It embraces it. It elevates it. It champions it. It was able to take the legacy of the original and expand upon it without needlessly messing with the pre-established canon/characters/mythos. Yet, at the same time, it was its own thing that could stand apart from the original. Brilliant.

With all these recent nostalgia-bait properties, is there anything to like about them once the nostalgia has been taken away? Because they are usually made for the sake of an anniversary of some kind they feel so cheap, hollow, forced and unnecessary. That's the issue I have with sequels to old properties that aren't adaptations of existing unadapted material like Full Metal Panic IV (eg. Digimon Tri., Yu-Gi-Oh! Dark Side of Dimensions, etc...). When the original series aired, they didn't rely on nostalgia. They had to prove themselves and stand on their own merits. And we loved them. Now, all these years later, the only thing that anyone talks about is the nostalgia factor. Okay... but nostalgia aside, what do the shows have to offer? That's why I'm curious to see how they will fare after the initial squeals of nostalgia have died down.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:27 pm Reply with quote
Your request for more Skip Beat reminds me that I would sure love some more Nana, but I guess that can wait to commemorate the occasion when Yazawa decides to ever finish it. How about some more Kare Kano? Like that would happen. T.T

Maybe Ghost Hunt? The novels finished I think, but the show doesn't really wrap up the overarching story plot before the end. I'm likewise all for more Kanzaka universe adaptations.
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I don't want to see stories about the Digidestined and their Digimon pals supporting each other in high school, I want to see them as slacker roommates trying to matriculate through college and enter the workforce! Can't we get an 80-minute movie about Tai and Agumon trying to launch a terrible startup that doesn't solve any actual problem?

You're trying too hard Mike. But hey, you mentioned Kotetsushin Jeeg, so this article wasn't a complete bust.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:27 pm Reply with quote
Yatterman Night is one of the unusual sequel entries that Tatsunoko Pro has been doing (and is more obviously a sequel than the new Gatchaman, but they did do a 2008 remake of the original that keeps it from matching the record.
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Asking the new CCS anime be up to date with the viewer's age and real-world concerns is like walking into your favorite childhood restaurant and finding that, while the outside is the same, the menu is completely different.

I think almost all people go into watching the sequels/reboots for nostalgia, and I know of at least one friend who catches Clear Card for its sweet, uplifting message. I think the majority of older fans don't necessarily want to see the "updated" version of their childhood favorite as much as they want to savor the good memories the original brings. I think CLAMP is very smart in that regards: giving fans a new story while keeping the characters 99.5% the same, using the same bright, cutesy atmosphere and a slowly revealing mystery to keep people wanting more. The cute factor also makes for easy commercialization, and hey, as much as we might wail against capitalism, if the show doesn't do well financially there's not gonna be an incentive to make more of it. It's just the way the cookie crumbles.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:06 pm Reply with quote
Does spiritual sequals count take the Yūsha/Brave or Eldran series for example here are shows that could be considered sequels not in name but these shows feel like are sort of considered continuation of those shows for example Dennō Bōkenki Webdiver, Daigunder, and the current shows like Tomica Hyper Rescue Drive Head Kidō Kyūkyū Keisatsu and Shinkansen Henkei Robo Shinkalion the Animation.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:16 pm Reply with quote
Until last year, my dream sequel was a second season of Kino's Journey. I loved the original, and knew that there where several more stories that could be adapted.

After seeing the good-but-not extraordinary reboot/sequel from last year, part of me thinks that the team was able to mine gold from the original source material, and that the original material wasn't as strong as I had hoped.

Although I'm really concerned about sequels, especially those that are so far removed from the original, I'd be interested to see a second season of Outlaw Star. It ended on a clear sequel hook, and I'd be interested to see how they continue it.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:30 pm Reply with quote
Nadesico with 38-year-old Ruri could be cool. Make it as an anthology of styles, as in Space Dandy (there were elements of this in the original series). Holodeck malfunctions could be used to parody isekai cliches. A malfunctioning Omoikane could keep creating child-Ruri avatars for moe parodies.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:07 pm Reply with quote
mangaka-chan wrote:
Asking the new CCS anime be up to date with the viewer's age and real-world concerns is like walking into your favorite childhood restaurant and finding that, while the outside is the same, the menu is completely different.

I think almost all people go into watching the sequels/reboots for nostalgia, and I know of at least one friend who catches Clear Card for its sweet, uplifting message. I think the majority of older fans don't necessarily want to see the "updated" version of their childhood favorite as much as they want to savor the good memories the original brings. I think CLAMP is very smart in that regards: giving fans a new story while keeping the characters 99.5% the same, using the same bright, cutesy atmosphere and a slowly revealing mystery to keep people wanting more. The cute factor also makes for easy commercialization, and hey, as much as we might wail against capitalism, if the show doesn't do well financially there's not gonna be an incentive to make more of it. It's just the way the cookie crumbles.


at least there is one thing we all should be grateful for. considering the enormous successes of nanoha , madoka magica , prisma illya and other newer magical girl series, they could have easily had went down THAT route with clear card and have sakura and tomoyo as a yuri couple! while it would please the mind numbing otakus, it would more or less have die hard CLAMP junkies seething red to the point of its production committee getting death threats from some dumbasses. definitely wouldnt be pretty.

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The biggest legacy of of the original Cardcaptors is that its dub is now an orphan, supplanted by the workmanlike but accurate dub created for the Asian market that's included on the Blu-Ray release of the old show.


one problem. the animax asia version of CCS is TEN TIMES WORSE than the horrendous nelvana and GOD ALMIGHTY that hacked up version was bad, and i mean 4kids bad!!!

its more or less why some people skip getting the NIS versions altogether. and considering the large amount of praise the funi dub for clear card is getting, they might have no choice but to bequeath the license of CCS to funi so it can finally get a proper english dub version via the escaflowne route.



will it actually happen? i highly doubt it! but in this industry, stranger things have happened.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:15 pm Reply with quote
If they were ever going to do anything new with The Big O, a Cowboy Bebop The Movie type deal that fits in with the themes but doesn't mess too much with the plot would be my way to go.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:22 pm Reply with quote
jr240483 wrote:
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The biggest legacy of of the original Cardcaptors is that its dub is now an orphan, supplanted by the workmanlike but accurate dub created for the Asian market that's included on the Blu-Ray release of the old show.


one problem. the animax asia version of CCS is TEN TIMES WORSE than the horrendous nelvana and GOD ALMIGHTY that hacked up version was bad, and i mean 4kids bad!!!


Haven't heard the Cardcaptors dub. Main problem for me with the NISA release is the new subtitle translation. Were they contractually prevented from using the Pioneer/Geneon subtitles?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:06 pm Reply with quote
Loved the second season of Mushi-shi, for which we waited 8 or so years. As it was an episodic anime, I never felt an overpowering need for a sequel season, but nonetheless was thrilled to pieces when the OVA and then a full series was announced. Better still, it was as good as the original. It still had the feel of a series of brilliant short stories unified by universe and by Ginko's presence. As the original was geared already for mature and thoughtful audiences, there was less chance of aging out of the sequel series.

As for a Dream Sequel, I don't know. Many years ago it might have been a new Escaflowne series, but I don't think the story requires that much more despite the rushed ending. And the movie never grabbed me despite the upgrade in animation quality. I really preferred the world in the longer series format, as the characters could be much more fleshed out.

*keeps thinking*

OK, I'm really all about the sequel to YOI, but that doesn't fit the long hiatus requirement lol.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:31 am Reply with quote
Let's see: I could go for a new installment of Giant Robo. though I'd be content to let Tenchi Muyo! die at this point.
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