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Ermat_46
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 2:25 pm |
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The reason for Crunchyroll's "brand myopia" is due to the failed Crunchyroll originals lineup (High Guardian Spice, Onyx Equinox, Freakangels). Remember when Crunchyroll got massive backlash when they unveiled High Guardian Spice? One of the major criticisms CR got from that is that the subscriber money should be going to anime and not these cartoons.
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sirdano1
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 2:30 pm |
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Let's keep anime anime and not turn it into cartoons, thanks.
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YagamiBlackstone255
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 2:56 pm |
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We need a Claudio Biern Boyd again. The pioneering Spanish executive who brought beloved Spanish "Cartoons" that were actually extremely well made Japanese animated programs. Those are basically anime with one being literally "Anime Around The World In 80 Days", better known in the west as Willy Fog.
Ironically I wish this article had simply been titled "We need to expand the concept of anime to save it." At first glance it doesnt have a very attractive premise to catch you on to this very important topic.
Also Fumio Kurokawa died in 2024 and it wasnt reported, poor guy did extremely iconic work with Nippon Animation (A lot of the NOT Ghibli Alumni World Masterpiece Theatre, the aforementioned Willy Fog which was a sensation in Spain, UK, basically everywhere but the Americas) I felt sad this great man went basically unmourned.
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Blood-
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 2:57 pm |
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So was this screed Jerome Mazandarani's job application for Crunchyroll's EVP of Strategic Vision?
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Silver Kirin
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:10 pm |
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| Ermat_46 wrote: | | The reason for Crunchyroll's "brand myopia" is due to the failed Crunchyroll originals lineup (High Guardian Spice, Onyx Equinox, Freakangels). Remember when Crunchyroll got massive backlash when they unveiled High Guardian Spice? One of the major criticisms CR got from that is that the subscriber money should be going to anime and not these cartoons. |
I know it's been a long time since Crunchyroll unveiled High Guardian Spice's first teaser, but it still feels like yesterday and I still find it hard to believe that anyone thought that was a good idea, it's not like I felt that the series was going to be bad from the teaser alone, although after watching it when it came out it did turn out to be very disappointing, it's that CR is know for being an anime streaming site, and HGS was obviously a cartoon, despite its staff saying they were inspired by various anime.
I do believe that some Western productions done in an anime style can be appealing to anime watchers, I know some people thought Netflix's Castlevania and Devil May Cry were anime, but they have to make a good first impression.
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Ermat_46
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:15 pm |
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Also, to add, since Jerome posed this question:
| Quote: | | Here's what Crunchyroll isn't talking about, but which desperately needs addressing: Japan has fewer than 6,000 animators, and that number is predicted to drop according to the Japan Research Institute. With demand for anime content exploding globally, the math simply doesn't work without international collaboration. Japanese producers face a stark choice between AI automation and international partnerships to scale capacity. |
Not really. There are some Chinese anime that are getting dubbed in Japan, and CR can easily license those IF the number of Japanese anime drops.
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TdFern 87
Joined: 03 Jun 2017
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:22 pm |
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It's clearly obvious Crunchyroll and by extension Sony, only cares about the numbers, and by numbers I mean money. They don't care about the people, the workers, the animators, the ones they have to toil to make the product, that they have to make under sterile and unhealthy conditions by the way. They still don't get a lot of credit that they deserve and don't get paid handsomely for the amount of work they do. They are equivalent to the Amazon Workers that work in sweatshop like conditions. It's also the same for mangaka industry too, as they are constantly facing strict deadlines under stressful conditions with unhealthy working environment.
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Sinxi and heylog
Joined: 08 May 2025
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 5:09 pm |
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| TdFern 87 wrote: | | It's clearly obvious Crunchyroll and by extension Sony, only cares about the numbers, and by numbers I mean money. They don't care about the people, the workers, the animators, the ones they have to toil to make the product, that they have to make under sterile and unhealthy conditions by the way. They still don't get a lot of credit that they deserve and don't get paid handsomely for the amount of work they do. They are equivalent to the Amazon Workers that work in sweatshop like conditions. It's also the same for mangaka industry too, as they are constantly facing strict deadlines under stressful conditions with unhealthy working environment. |
Tbh, the problems mostly come from shonen jump weekly, just because its weekly. The manga industry has bi weekly, monthly, bi monthly, and more im probably missing
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SonicSP
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 5:53 pm |
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| Quote: | | In an ideal world, Crunchyroll will abandon its brand myopia, which conflates "anime" with "exclusively Japanese-made content," and truly embrace its position as “thought-leaders” and innovators. Surely they understand that anime is a storytelling medium and aesthetic approach that can transcend geographic boundaries? |
Nah, Crunchyroll is correct and the author is wrong. Let's keep it that way.
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BalmungHHQ
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 5:59 pm |
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Something about the tone of this article writer's argument bugs me. But I hate the idea that the ultimate end result of the concept of "anime" is to just expand globally and become like everything else, just with an "anime style" coat of paint on it.
Like, no bro, I watch anime to get unique Japanese stories from the minds of Japanese creators that are entrenched knee-deep in crazy otaku philosophies and moe culture. Yes obviously there can be Western creators who can write stories with that kind of influence too, but I get the feeling that's not what we're talking about here and we're trying to expand what "anime" is beyond what enthusiasts of it (like me) would be comfortable with...
Crunchyroll has a ton of issues, but at least they seemingly know to primarily deal in anime, and not mix things up too heavily in that regard.
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BadNewsBlues
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 6:09 pm |
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| Ermat_46 wrote: | | One of the major criticisms CR got from that is that the subscriber money should be going to anime and not these cartoons. |
This looks funny in retrospect given what’s happened with Toonami doing what these people wanted CrunchyRoll to do.
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minamikaze
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 6:40 pm |
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| Article wrote: | | Here's what Crunchyroll isn't talking about, but which desperately needs addressing: Japan has fewer than 6,000 animators, and that number is predicted to drop according to the Japan Research Institute. With demand for anime content exploding globally, the math simply doesn't work without international collaboration. |
I can only guess that the author of this article doesn't watch through to the end of the credits of shows, and as a result has missed all of the non-Japanese names that appear in them in many, if not all series. The making of Anime has already included international collaboration for many many years.
Also, to the ANN Editorial staff person who fixed the ALL CAPS TITLE of the article, thank you very much. That looked horribly unprofessional.
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quoss
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2025 12:01 am |
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Agreeing with other comments that anime being inherently Japanese is a large part of the appeal. Different viewpoints from my country, styles and trends I've come to love. Not to conflate anime culture or style with Japan as a whole at all, but anime is indeed so much its own thing, it's immediately recognizable, and anime came out of Japan. When days come it grows to be less of what I've loved, the love too will fade. Well, maybe that's just inevitable. When more people get into hiking--a good thing--trails get trashier.
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Handyman 68
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2025 1:35 am |
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| BalmungHHQ wrote: | | Like, no bro, I watch anime to get unique Japanese stories from the minds of Japanese creators that are entrenched knee-deep in crazy otaku philosophies and moe culture. Yes obviously there can be Western creators who can write stories with that kind of influence too, but I get the feeling that's not what we're talking about here and we're trying to expand what "anime" is beyond what enthusiasts of it (like me) would be comfortable with... |
Yeah, I seriously doubt people who say this are asking for more things like No Game No Life which was created by a Brazillian man and so in-line with anime culture it got banned in the countries that ban loli like Australia. It's going to be the kind of people who hold a certain kind of contempt for anime for not adhering to American sensibilities and want it to be more Americanized. Basically the kind of people who defended High Guardian Spice. It sounds like Crunchyroll learned from their past mistake and is sticking to anime as fans know and love it
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Tamer Sakura
Joined: 16 Jul 2025
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2025 2:01 am |
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For the record the person who wrote this article was the executive producer for Cannon Busters - just in case you were wondering what their angle was and the actual purpose of this article. Feels like that should be some kind of disclaimer.
I watch anime because it's not like western animation. If I wanted western animation I would watch western animation which I don't because I don't like it. At least the modern stuff. Wakfu was good but it's from 2008 and does not belong being compared to those other shows.
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