Forum - View topicINTEREST: NTE: Neverness to Everness Game's Staff Confirms Use of Generative AI
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PilotPayback
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i'm not gonna repeat 1 to 1 what i said yesterday, but still. really wish they didn't have to lie to a to a streamer about there being no ai in the game.
also, it feels like they're trying to have their cake and eat it too by saying...
...but then also immediately follow that up by saying...
feels contradictory to me, y'know...it's just a weird mess that could've been avoided if they were upfront about it from the start rather than waiting until being called out to admit it. it really reminds me of the expedition 33 awards situation...although i don't know if this is better or worse than that. edit: discovered an embarrassing typo and didn't know until now... Last edited by PilotPayback on Sat May 09, 2026 1:30 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Viren21
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Then how about those iconic places and scenes they added in game that are direct references on some animes according on some news I've seen. Would people say its a work of AI? Feels like it is if those movies are referenced with different names and such.
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Using AI to automate repetitive, brainless tasks is not unreasonable. Nor should it be used to discredit the creative integrity for the rest of work which was human made. A high quality hand-made dish that's packaged in cheap machine-made material, is still a high quality dish. In this specific case though, it's not a good look to lie to your audience and indirectly steal assets from other IPs. Expedition 33 drama was nothing like this. The AI-made environmental placeholders were not meant to be in the final product, and the devs were quick to correct that in the following patches. |
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AJ (LordNikon)
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Sorry, but BFD. I hear same arguments screaming crying 20 years ago when everyone started using wabcoms/digital drawing devices. After eight decades, know how many technology shifts i have lived through?!
Every generation faces this; every generation screams how this time it is different because they did not live through last shift. People have been rallying against technology sunce wheel. Luddites screamed the end of the world over the cotton gin and steam engine. AI is no different. |
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Cardcaptor Takato
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Slizardo
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Regardless of how one feels about AI I do think people shouldn't mistake references with being the results of AI usage. Natsubi no Aosora/Clear Skies in Summer is clearly meant to be a spoof of Tenki no Ko/Weathering With You. Anime has been doing this for decades before AI was a thing. I hope people aren't going to accuse the next time we see a WcDonlads or Pepis in an anime as being a mistake made by AI and not an intentional parody. |
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Tanteikingdomkey
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I never understood why it's okay for them to use aI for some background assets.That obviously has thought and effort that should have been put into it. And not any other asset. Is it just because they wanted to steal the art style and not put in the effort?
Cause that 's how it reads to me. Its almost always a hey that's a cool thing you did let me steal it type thing whenever I see it used on "just one minor side thing I swear guys, it doesnt really matter i promise." Its always hilarious to me when people use this argument to use ai and then get super offended some one steals their "work" and expects someone to come and right the wrong that has been done to them. Last edited by Tanteikingdomkey on Sun May 10, 2026 11:55 am; edited 2 times in total |
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FishLion
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Luddites were smeared by their enemies, but they were against the very real harms that such automation would bring to the general populace. Lo and behold the industrial revolution was a horrifying time for worker safety, child labor, and worker pay. I'm not saying we should have never used these technological advancements, but then and now rapidly advancing technology being adopted to save money and time with no regard for the waste or harm to others, especially those exploited to power the new technologies, is something we should care about it. Wacoms did not enable rapid waste and worker replacement because it's still a tool manually used by an artist while AI is specifically designed to automate tasks and uses stolen data. It isn't comparable to other advancements. |
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yeehaw
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AI is extremely different because it is 100% based on stolen material jesus christ why is this so hard for you people to understand It's theft. It's just theft. It's no different from Limbo of the Lost using stolen assets from other games and that shit was taken of shelves. AI is the exact same thing except it launders it's theft by simply serving you the excrement of every asset it's been illegally fed instead of someone manually stealing them. It's just complicated stealing. And the enviromental impact that I assume you just don't care about since you think every new technology is always good. We can't see the sky anymore but cars am I right? I hope your job gets taken over by AI since you love it so much |
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Doubleclouder
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One big talking point I see people not like AI for is they say they want human written characters or stories rather than stuff made out by a machine. I imagine when creators point out only background or grunt work is what they used AI for rather than creating entire storylines or character designs they are hoping to appease those people that the important components were still made by them. I don't think it's all that effective though since I see some people treat even one drop of AI as poison and refuse to engage with something which I find a bit unfair as well. I've used AI tools in art programs for ease like to erase background objects or the entire background to make it a transparent png or just add effects and details. I guess some people would consider that to not be made by a human though. In general this topic seems like a very invested and emotion one to people so I don't think appealing to logic or compromise is going to mean much. |
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Greed1914
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You've basically nailed why that is. Backgrounds get positioned as this thing that is too menial and not something that artists want to do. Thing is, some of them do specifically that and are very good at it. They act like it's an acceptable use because who can complain if the artists use it for "grunt" work like backgrounds. That would obviously hold a lot more weight if the artists were the ones coming out and saying, "Yeah, I hated doing this so at least I get out of it now." But you have said what it really is. Probing for gaps where it is ok this one time, or ok for certain things, and then it goes on from there. We see it being used for backgrounds because that is supposed some minor thing that we don't notice or shrug off once we do. |
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Egan Loo
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Graphics editors such as Adobe Photoshop have offered automated background removals for almost a decade, years before generative AI became popular. https://gigazine.net/gsc_news/en/20171129-photoshop-select-subject/#gsc.tab=0 https://www.inverse.com/article/38830-photoshop-uses-a-i-pull-humans-out-of-photos There is a difference between what was construed as "AI" in the past, and "generative AI" — specifically, "generating" images by training computers on images created by people — now. |
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Nate148
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and that is used by bad actors to sell ai. To answer your question, its because they don't care ai bro's tend to be at the low level "Ideal Guys" the type that thinks they have the greatest story or game or whatever media but no talent and no drive to learn so this is what you get.
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