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nightjuan
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I can definitely see where some scenes or episodes not related to the main plot could have been reduced, modified or just simply removed. But I did not mind the fanservice per se, though I suppose that's naturally going to vary.
I think the jury's still out on that first one...R2 not being over and all, and there is more than one purpose it could serve. As for the rest, I still don't think too much really needed to be done, perhaps just a little more.
This was already established in season one, so it's not a spoiler...Naoto was in charge of the resistance cell before Ougi, and while it would have been nice to get a flashback or an episode about the subject, to see how Kallen got involved and all...I don't think it was essential.
I wasn't thinking of this, but you are certainly proposing some valid alternatives. spoiler[Even if I would not say it was all a waste of time anyways, since the Geass cult did have connections to other aspects of the plot after the fact, but rather something that could have been summarized or tied up to other events in a better way. On a similar note, I'd think the China arc could have been a bit longer, maybe even just by half an episode, to make its resolution a little less convenient and a little more credible.]
I may disagree about some of the specifics, but in general you do have a real point there. The part about too many ideas is obvious, especially in light of the time slot change, since one does get the feeling that Code Geass R2 could easily have taken more episodes to really flesh out its characters and certain aspects of the plot, instead of introducing some in a bit of a haste, after taking some early detours. However, I am still more positive than negative about the second season so far, even if I acknowledge this. |
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Chaos42
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so its 2 hours to go till 23 airs-how much of the planets going to be left at the end of this episode is anyones guess-considering that all parties concernd are pointing WOMD armies of soildiers and are basicaly all NUTS.
But teh most important thing right now is what are the odds they are going to do a cheap cop out ending like Evanglion were everything gets metaphysical-i hate it when they just screw around with reality-my friends and i were discussing this and we all agreed that this is probably the worst scenario for the ending |
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v1cious
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23 was pretty good. i like how the final battle plays out more like a chess game than just a a bunch of mindless action sequences. it's getting hard to tell if there is an actual hero or villian any more. both Schneizel and Lelouch are becoming pretty unlikable. I predict this series is gonnna end like Ideon. it seems very likely at this point.
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Chaos42
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not the kill them all solution that would just tick me off i hate kill them all endings were 50%-100% of the cast dies in the final battle
at any rate i anticipate that lelouch has good intentions that will save him in the end also we don't know anything about the soilders that are geass controled for all we know they are conviced criminals and psyco paths i have a feeling thats why he brought them and that they were people who were expendable |
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marie-antoinette
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Well, I have to say that I'm annoyed that spoiler[Cornelia is apparently dead again. I honestly don't see the point of having her not die in season one, if this was all she was going to amount to in R2. She was probably one of the worst off in the "too many cast members for everyone to get screen time/development.]
I really, really loved the music in the scene spoiler[where they kept flashing to show everyone and give little looks into what is going on. While it isn't perhaps the best way to show some of what happened (primarily Villetta being pregnant), at least it shows that they are trying to keep things moving a bit and they actually remembered that Xing-ke is supposed to be dying of some illness.] This latest arc is just going crazy fast. As I've said before, it would have been nicer to have less episodes for the last one, and more episodes for this one. Because I am enjoying this one about 100x more than spoiler[the crazy Charles and Marianne stuff], but would find it a lot stronger if they could just slow down and explain things a little better. Oh, and I would also have liked spoiler[Schneizel to be less evil. But apparently that's not going to happen. I blame bad genes.] |
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thedragon
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With Schniezel showing us what he thinks, has anyone lost track of who is good and who is bad in this series? Cause I know I have.
spoiler[I think C.C. and Nunnally are the only ones not on the side of evil right now. And maybe that Knight of Rounds whose name I can't remember that joined with Kallen at the end of the episode. I don't count Kallen because she is(was) in love with the most evil of them all.] |
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quikbeam1
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i dont know, it would make much sense for Nina to spoiler[develop another super weapon for Lelouch. she already feels guilty for what happened in Japan and in the Brittanian capital. So it seems more likely that she would develop a weapon to consume the Freya somehow or stop the Freya from Firing. ] but thats just my guess as to what she is up to. its clearly something that Lelouch can use against his brother.
This show has just been dissapointing me a little bit more with every episode I watch for a while now. but im still curious as to how they will end the entire thing. |
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DaftOne
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i wish i stopped watching after spoiler[Nunnally died the first time, everything is a joke now], there is no point in anything anyone does since even if they die, u will see them in the next ep saying "oh, thank god that ship that everyone saw explode was a decoy", i mean wtf; i just wish i could erase the last few eps from my mind, i really do.
i can't think of any characters in this series that i like, i just want them all to die now, i will only watch the last few eps so i can see them die in painful ways, then come back in the next ep just to die just as pointlessly this won't stop me from buying the boxset of the first season when it comes out in blu-ray; but i refuse to acknowledge the second season as a serious addition to the series, lets hope they continue the series with an alternate storyline to R2 that makes sense |
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nightjuan
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Well, I might be relatively alone here, but I'm actually more optimistic about the series after Turn 23, which was a better episode than 22 in several ways.
All things considered, I think it did a fair job of setting things up for the finale. It doesn't erase past problems, but I thought it made the most of the current situation. The overall pace slowed down, spoiler[in part thanks to the convenient montage, and there was a nice battle on a more strategic scale.] Lelouch's spoiler[ confrontation with Nunnaly served to show that he's still human, in spite of what he is doing, and that he doesn't really intend to conquer the world. I'm still pretty certain that his plan is equal parts self-demonization and self-sacrifice, even if other details remain vague. Speaking of Nunnally, I'm not sure if I like what she's doing now, trusting Schneizel and basically becoming a bit of martyr in her own right. But I suppose that Lelouch himself made things bad enough on that count, considering what he told her. Schneizel explained his own objectives...not exactly the most original ideas in the world, but they are tolerable. Honestly, if they gave him some deep back story at this late stage in the game, I would be more skeptical since there was no sign of it before. He's always been wearing the mask of a nice guy, but you could tell he wasn't, from his very first appearance. Not a great villain, in any case.] C.C. spoiler[actually had a good scene with Lelouch, which I felt helped both of their characters develop a little bit. Especially hers, since she had received less attention lately and was in the background for much of the season.] Cornelia's spoiler[ fate is not what I wanted to see, and it's true her character was not used well this season. Bad move. However, despite the scene's dramatization, I'm thinking she did not actually die. There's probably a chance she'll end up wounded, not dead. Whether that's a good or bad thing...we'll see.]
There are many grey areas, but Lelouch is still closer to good than to evil, at heart, and this latest episode made that point pretty clear for me.
I have to disagree though. spoiler[The decoy shuttle, while it wasn't explained in detail, was in plain sight during Turn 18 and there were enough hints to figure it out, looking at things closely. Some bloggers actually did so back then, in fact, and their theories were proven right in the end.] No, it's not exactly a good plot twist, but I don't mind the way it happened.
To be entirely honest, if I shared your sentiments there is no way I would buy this, ever, so...I'm still going to see how this ends, and then I'll think about it. |
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ryokoalways
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spoiler[Good episode, very nice pacing. Strategic battle is refreshing, and also acted as a budget saver. There will definitely still be one battle with a load of action sequences, but that will be saved for last episode.
Don't like how they (and the fact that they did) bring Nunnally back. Hopefully this is the only one. It won't be horribly detrimental to the series if they are able to close it strongly though. Cornelia's death ended a character that was basically just there. Whatever little thing she did in this season could easily have been done by any one of the other sub characters.] This episode set the stage. Next one will introduce, formally, all the remaining major players to the stage (with the possibility of a few having to step down), and the final episode will just close each characters' story, hopefully. I hope they just stick to the simple formula from now on, and just try to execute the plot rather than throwing more twists. My biggest concern is that geass is obviously still due for one more event, and I hope it won't be even more farfetched than spoiler[geassing a conscious entity.] This episode raised my optimism a little. I think the series can still end on a strong note, because most of the strong characters are still present. |
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Chaos42
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schnizel isn't exactly deep more the anti lelouch. He seems to have many of the same qualities lelouch has tatical mind, a nack for speaking-convicing people, as well as the ability to use any information he has into a weapon against his enemy. The main difference is intentions something thats been mentioned at least once in the opening monologe.
CC i have a feeling she will not be around much longer, something that may be relivant is that it may not be nessary to KILL some one with Code in order to take the code. You may note that VV was alive after he gave his code to Charles meaing that it may be that spoiler[ CC will give lelouch her immortality and fly into battle in the lancelot she had and fight in that while he goes to fight Schnizel. This might also explain how he will deal with Kallen coming after him in the gurren] This a point also it seems that Nina is probably making some sort of inhibitor that would nullify the reaction of the bombs. Either that or a bomb big enuff to take out all of them at once. Also I've formed a theory about something lelouch's troops that he brought with him to the battle are all those guys in full face masks and matching suits yet we haven't seen what they look like im not sure but its probible that they are spoiler[so how people who are going to die anyway -conviced criminals, people with terminal illness, or clones for all we know. My point is that at some point some one will ask why he forced those people to fight for him and he'll reveal that those people were either one of those listed or something else] Also how did they restore Anya's memories they deffinatly don't have a geass canceler of their own so whats up with that. Also i pridict that Jeramia's geass canceler will be used at least once during this battle and be used over the entire thing for no other reason then there would be no other point in having it other than curing nunnally's blind and crippled state. I suspect spoiler[has ordered him to use it if he dies or after the mission is finished to remove any remaining geass commands. Also that its probably going to release his soilders form his hold on them and let them go. ] |
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Tony K.
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Wow, I didn't know Schneizel worked for Celestial Being, and it also seems a lot of people are starting to mount on the downhill bandwagon now, so congratulations.
Looks like the story has managed to fully align itself with the extremely contrived and tacked-on plotline that started post-Charles. Needless to say, the series is becoming less and less fun to watch with each episode. Personally, I'd have opted for a third season if they were just going kill everyone off or set up like they were going to kill everyone off. Either leave the dead people dead for the shock value and reminiscence or build their characters with an episode or 2, then kill them off with at least some amount of significance or symbolic sensibility. I'm just not feeling captivated by any character's motivations or actions anymore. And on top of that, most of the supporting characters and below have become lame ducks at this point. I don't even care what happens, now. They could resurrect everyone via Mai-HiME and live happily ever after for all I care. 2 more episodes left for Sunrise to salvage. |
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HitokiriShadow
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I was annoyed with spoiler[how Cornelia was offed (seemingly) just when it looked like she may actually have a purpose in R2.]
My opinion on Post-Charles R2 is pretty much the same after this episode. The general direction is not bad, but its executed poorly and I'm just not able to care nearly as much as I used to. They should have taken a bit more time with the events leading up to Charles' defeat and had that happen at episode 25 and ended R2 there. Then they could have used an entire cour or two for Lelouch vs. Schneizel, because 4 episodes just isn't enough time for such a huge story shift and to handle it well. |
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nightjuan
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Tony K: You could probably say that, perhaps more accurately, about Lelouch too.
I don't know what to say about any bandwagons, but anyways...I actually still care about the main cast of characters, in spite of everything else, since the show has managed to maintain some characterization and related thematic elements, even when the story and much of the supporting cast have been twisted around and placed in the background, respectively. While I still consider 23 to be better, and not worse, than 22, this last arc is contrived and tacked-on, yes. That's why I agree with HitokiriShadow, in that it would have been preferable for the staff to end the show with Charles and not Schneizel, but unfortunately they chose not to. I also agree about how setting up a third season to handle this would have been better, strictly, but it may not have even been an option. Executives need to approve such things, the staff can't always take everything for granted (after all, they didn't want a time slot change and got one), and we really don't know any behind the scenes stuff about that. Even successful series don't automatically get a sequel or two. Just keeping things simpler, really, is all I would have expected, not necessarily a sequel. All in all, rushed and so forth, the ending doesn't need to be anything groundbreaking, but I hope it's not without redeeming value either. |
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Skylark
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Ok I was supporting the series through the episode 21 crap but now this is just ridiculous. I kinda get what Lelouch is doing but even so, everything is so damned rushed that nothing is making sense. spoiler[Cornelia has turned into a token character which is just retarded. Nunally decides to martyr herself, Schniezel turns out to be an asshat, and Gino switches sides to magically make KallenXGino a possibility, no doubt to salvage some fans from this horrible horrible affair.]
I would have advocated a third season if I knew that all the characters like spoiler[knight of one, cornelia, etc were just going to meaninglessly die. and Nunally's resurrection officially killed any love I had for this series.] If sunrise was ever going to pull some magic out of their ass they'd better do it pretty god damn quick. This is fast turning into murder; the murder of an excellent series with a shitty ending. Gah, I'm so angry! This was one of my favourite series of all time, and it has just as quickly dropped out of my top 10. |
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