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Sea Lion
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I've found the Sky Movies Web site, and they've ranked their top 50 traditionally-animated films of all times.
Understandably, the list is Disney-heavy, but eight films are anime. Miyazaki landed six of his films on this list, and has three titles (#2-Spirited Away, #4-My Neighbor Totoro, and #6-Princess Mononoke) in the top 10. Does anyone else agree with this list, or at least most of it? Are there any films you feel deserve a spot here? Are ther any films undeserving of their positions? I don't know if I would have had Ponyo on this list. It's well-drawn and colorful, but it doesn't have any replay value for the post-third grade crowd. I would have included Porco Rosso and its great love story, as well as its imaginative aerial combat sequences, as another example of Miyazaki's skill. I also might have reserved a place for something like Paprika on the list, with its surrealism and its obliteration of the line between fantasy and reality. As a side note, the list writer composed the best one-paragraph explanation of Akira I've ever seen. I understand more about the film now. |
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egoist
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Grave of the Fireflies not there. Reliability lost.
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JacobC
ANN Past Staff
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QFT. Also, Atlantis the Lost Empire IS there. Reliability SMASHED. X_X ...along with that god-awful Pocahontas movie? HASSAN CHOP! That's the trouble with a lot of top lists. It becomes a list of familiarity. A real top list for animation should be compiled by someone who has seen a wide gambit of types of animated films, and not just the Hollywood set with a few weird choices like Ralph Bashki's only decent movie. Where are the European films on this list like Triplets of Belleville? ...Not that it would be Top 50, maybe, but you get the idea. EDIT: Just as I typed this I ate crow or whatever because I ran across them all lumped together...still, it's not the best list. Not terrible, but anything with Pocahontas and Atlantis on it and no Grave of the Fireflies needs to be snapped at a little. ...Those movies are awful. Not decent. Awful. .....................The Spongebob Squarepants Movie is #19. Okay. This is a bad list. (And I actually enjoyed that stupid stupid movie, but it does deserve to be called stupid twice.) |
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Mushi-Man
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There is no way I could even begin to truly agree with this list. There are a few good choices made through out it but for the most part this seems like nothing more than a list of movies that the general public might recognize but leave the hardened animation and film critics/fans puzzled. Questions like "why is Grave of the Fireflies, Paprika, Millennium Actress, 5cm Per Second, ext not making this list?" and "Why did Atlantis, Sponge Bob, The Lord Of The Rings (in my opinion was a poorly done animation movie), ext make the list?" It seems more like someone just randomly asked them to throw together a list of animation movies so they went to google and got to working.
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yuna49
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I didn't notice much in the way of animation outside of the US and Japan. Where, for instance, is Allegro no Troppo? Hell, even Fantasia itself isn't on that list.
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Sea Lion
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JesuOtaku, Triplets of Belleville is on the list (#22), but they call it Belleville Rendezvous.
yuna49, Fantasia is smack dab in the middle (#25). Though I have yet to see it, from everything I've heard about it, Grave of the Fireflies deserved to be on the list more than Atlantis, Spongebob or Beavis and Butthead. And if we're talking about breakthrough films, how about Fritz the Cat or possibly Heavy Metal, which are two of the highest-profile rated-R animated films made in America? |
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dtm42
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Roger Ebert called Grave of the Fireflies one of the best anti-war movies ever made, animated or otherwise. His tastes can be weird at times, but he is well-known and generally well-respected.
My point being that not including that title on such a list is baffling at best. |
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eyeresist
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WRONG! At least, once you're mature enough not to care if other people think a movie is "childish". |
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Key
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If that's supposed to be an ordered top 50 list then there's all kinds of wrongness to it. The conspicuous absence of Grave of the Fireflies has already been mentioned (it deserves a Top 10 spot based on any criteria you want to name), but where's Dumbo? That's probably the most glaring omission, especially in light of some of the titles that did get in; its "Pink Elephants on Parade" number alone should be sufficient, and I'd be hard-pressed to think of another animated title where watching the hero finally succeed is as immensely gratifying. The rest of the movie is also a work of art.
Let's not even get started on the ordering. While it's gratifying to see four anime titles make the Top 10, and I'd be hard-pressed to argue with Beauty and the Beast being that high, The Lion King as #1? Really? I wouldn't even put it in the Top 10, maybe not the Top 20. |
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sailorsarah08
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What? Peter Pan is below the Beavis and Butthead movie? Gross. Howl being beat by South Park feels deserved.
This doesn't seem very informed. Towards the top five it really takes the animation is for kids route. It's not that I don't like the amount of Disney movies, it's the order they are in... like Alice in Wonderland and Fox and the Hound. |
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kiddtic
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to be honest I think thats pretty good list
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ikillchicken
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Ug. I hate it when sites talk about the Ghost in the Shell movie and use a picture from SAC. Do your bloody homework.
I completely agree that this list is nonsense. |
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Pleinair
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Is it just me or is that Totally a weird pic for Hercules, as it has Icarus who was totally only in the animated series...? Same for a wierdo pic for Cinderella. This list seems like such a hack-job <_< But I guess since the pictures were pretty.
Why Is Beavis and Butt Head on here, that hurts my mind. Same goes for South Park, The Simpson's Movie, Spongebob Squarepants...ugh. Most of the rest I can see being on the list, but as for the order...let me just say I think it is all kinds of Messed up. Maybe I'm too picky. Totally Lacking American Pop, which I....love is almost too weak a word. And Wizards? Where is Wizards? Oh, and I re-watch Ponyo on a regular basis, and I am well outside the Third Grade range! 
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egoist
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Indeed. As good as drinking juice right after eating Oreo. The taste left in your mouth is just splendid... just splendid.
Didn't Ponyo just come out a few months ago? I'm surprised there's someone already re-watching it. It wasn't even released here yet, however I won't be watching it either way. Enough trauma of children movies thanks to Disney. |
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TheLargoEmbargo
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So there I was, flicking through Hitbox trying to figure out what's happening on my website today, when i came across a referral from an Anime site (that's this one) and, thus, I stumbled upon this thread.
I am indeed the man behind the list you're discussing! It's really interesting to hit the forums/ discussion boards after doing a gallery like that, although I have to make sure the armour is on - you guys aren't always kind! If I may, I'd quite like to spend my lunch break throwing my 2-pence into the discussion mix... This gallery in particular took a long time - as always we started the list off by asking the Sky Movies experts for their top fifty lists, but we don't usually order them in any way - it's a rather arbitrary thing to do, but whether we like it or not, order of prerefence is the BEST way to get people to A) look at the content and B) start a discussion. We compiled these lists, and then I pulled in our resident anime expert - a man who loves Japanese movies so much he's learned the language. He helped me pull together the anime movies that were essential to the list, explained what's what, and then ordered them. I also spent a LOT of time looking at discussion forums, reading dozens of reviews of the movies, looking at other top tens lists, and then spent a week watching the movies I hadn't seen in the background of life - at my desk, at home, on the train... I don't think there's many in the list I haven't now seen. Then the gallery was created, and passed between myself and couple of colleagues, as we thrashed out the final running order. But given the site's audience, we have to keep in mind that readers who know anything about Studio Ghibli and co. are in the minority. Sure, leaving Fireflies In The Garden out will irritate the anime fans - but 90% of the readers won't even know what we're talking about, and it would be foolish to ignore that - We have to make sure our content is accessible to as many people as possible, while remaining true to our opinion. That said, I saw it as a great opportuntiy to get those people in who might not know who Hayao Miyazaki is, and maybe expose them to a world without Mickey Mouse! So we went with the order we went with. Hitting 'Publish' was hard, because I could have asked you guys to come up with a definitive order, but you never would - it's just not possible to agree. I don't think the order is 'baffling', but of course we understand why some people might get irate - this is a board full of anime experts, after all! I like that it's sparked debate, and I try to temper the good (thanks for the Akira nod!) with the bad (the 'funny looking' images for Hercules and co. were officially released to us by Disney, although I agree, a film still is far more preferable and we're hoping to change them soon). Thanks all for the discussion, good or bad, and I hope you come back to the site to look at some more stuff in the future. Movie Money Shots and Memorable Deaths are probably the best things we've done recently, but I won't put the links in here as my intention was purely to let you know how this stuff comes about, not push more content on you! And, for the record, my favourite cartoon always has, and always will be, Robin Hood. With Iron Giant in second. Genuinely, thanks for your time. RP |
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