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areaseven
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We all know about duplicate persons, titles and companies, but what about duplicate tasks?
Screenplay Script Scenario Script Scenario Mechanical Design Mecha Design Translation Project Translator Project Translation Color Design Color Key Color Coordination |
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dormcat
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Series Composition
Series Story Editor Series Construction Animation Director Chief Animator Music Music Score Music Composition Original Character Design Character Conceptual Design Original Creator Original Story Original Manga Sound Director Sound Effects Director Audio Director Acoustic Supervision Director of Photography Cinematography Colo(u)r Setting in addition Color Design, Color Key, and Color Coordination Anything with "Lead" or "General" should be replaced with "Chief." (questionable ones) Background Art Art One more question: in which occasion shall we use the "person" as job title (-er, -or, -ist) while others use the "job" title (-tion)? |
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Dan42
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The rule of thumb is that usually it's better to use the job description (Design instead of Designer) because that way we don't have to worry about singular/plural. But sometimes it just sounds better to use the job title. For example I prefer Director instead of Direction because for me "direction" means "up" or "down" or "ahead", etc.
Ah, but not all those tasks are *exactly* the same thing. screenplay: The script for a movie, including descriptions of scenes and some camera directions. script: The text of a play, broadcast, or movie. scenario: An outline of the plot of a dramatic or literary work. (e.g. An outline for a screenplay) Mechanical Design: design of vehicles Mecha Design: design of big robots And there may be subtle difference in the other ones listed, I don't know. The bottom line is that we have MUCH more important things to care about than whether somone did "Color Design" or "Color Coordination". I don't want to waste time debating whether 2 tasks are really equivalent, especially considering the sheer quantity of tasks to validate (currently 1962). The only exception is for typos ("directr" > "director") or the simple standardization described above ("character designer" > "character design") |
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Samurai CDZ
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Aren't direction and director two different jobs? Like how producer and production are different. I have had various titles with both credits.
Also, timing always changes to subtitle timing but I don't think that is correct. Isn't there color timing, too? And can't somebody just be a timer (the stopwatch kind)? Key Animators Key Animation VP Of Sales & Marketing V.P. Of Sales & Marketing Vice President Of Sales & Marketing Vice President Of Sales V.P. Of Sales VP Of Sales (I like this one) VP Of Marketing (and this one) V.P. Of Marketing Vice President Of Marketing It's two separate jobs. As long as you can make it change VP into Vice President or V.P. it really doesn't matter which one you choose, though. Editor in Chief Editor-In-Chief Editorial Director Director of Editorial Director of Editorials Although this could be the same as Editor-in-Chief I don't know if these are all the same, I think they are: Photography Cinematography Camera Can you fix straight typos or capitalization problems? Like special effects in the companies section. |
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drakh
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It's the most common translation of a writer credit on TV R1 releases, whether it's a movie, TV series or OVA. Bugs the hell out of me.
The difference seems more to be the whim of the translator (and possibly the licensor), rather then any careful consideration of the job description. |
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Tempest
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Mecha & Mechanical design can be seen as different, but as pointed out, its seems to be at the discretion of the translator.
I've seen "mecha design" on show credits for shows that have no mecha, and I've seen only mechanical design on shows that are loaded with mecha. In some cases I've seen both. What I've done, is always used "Mechanical Design" and added (Mecha) if I know its for mecha. IMHO, we could merge these, but only if and after someone goes though all the "mecha design" entries to see which ones are related to mecha (robots). -t |
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Tempest
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Character Design and Character Conceptual Design are two different jobs.
The difference, is that the conceptual designer is the original designer of the character, while the character designer is the person that adapts the character, in detail, for the show. For example, a studio might hire a well known manga-ka to create conceptual designs for a show, but since they don't want to spend too much, they ask him to create the base sketches, and then they have their in house staff make dozens more sketches from different angles so that the animators know exactly what this character should look like from those angles. Unfortunately there is again some crossover in the way some companies use the credits. Sometimes "Character Design" is used to refer to the conceptual process. Perhaps Caharcter Design & Conceptual Character Design deserve a lexicon entry. -t |
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Tempest
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Director & Direction are the same. Producer & Production are a mess to figure out.
Agreed
We've decided that when some jobs naturally go together, that we'd put them together (ie: Story & Art for manga). Sales & Marketing are often together, but the question is, should they be 3 tasks (sales, marketing, Sales & Marketing) in the encyc, or just 2? However I'm sick of seing these as credits in anime & manga. This person did not work in the title. These credits, along with president, COO and such should be banned (I think Dan already banned some of these). We should have a section for adding key staff to companies. Comments Dan?
Agreed
First 3 are the same, but not the same as EiC. EiC is responsible for and has final say on everything in the publication. The director of editorial is responsible for putting together the editorial section(s). News, advertising, classifieds, non-editorial articles, and such are not his domain.
Cinematography is different when dealing with live action, but when it comes to animation, I have no clue.... |
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dormcat
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キャラクターデザイン and キャラクター原案, respectively; no doubt about that. However, I'd like to know which translation ("Original Character Design" or "Character Conceptual Design") is better for キャラクター原案. Personally I prefer the former (OCD). EDIT: corrected a small typo. Last edited by dormcat on Tue Nov 30, 2004 5:23 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Tempest
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Oops, I miss read what you wrote
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Hmm... |
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Tempest
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Merged:
Assistant Key Animation Supervisor Assistant Key Animation Supervisors Key Animation Key Animators Key Animation 2D Work 2D Works 3D Work 3d Works Editorial Coordination Editorial Coordinator Merged, but I didn't find "Director of Editorial" 3D Supervision 3D Supervisor 2D Computer Graphics 2DCG Animation Check Animation Cheker Animation Coordination Animation Coordinator Assistant Animation Assistant Animator Assistant Animators I broke the rule of thumb with this one, but "assistant animation" sounds bad, it should be animation assistant perhaps... Finish Check Finish Inspection Finishing Checks Finishing Inspection Finsih Check Visual Effects Supervision Visual Effects Supervisor There's alot more to do.... |
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Tempest
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And should not be merged |
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areaseven
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Assistant Animation Director
Animation Assistant Director |
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Samurai CDZ
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In that vein Publicity, Advertising, Public Relations and the such should also be banned... Background Background Art Backgrounds Paint Painter Ink & Paint Cel Painting Optical Opticals Optical Engineer (this may be a little different) I think these are all forms of Key Animation...but I'm not sure. Original Picture Principal Drawing Art (the obvious problem is that this is a common manga task) Animo Operation...I think it is some sort of digital painting machine...I had one title credit this task directly, while a second one (after) did not, although I saw it amongst the JP credits. I guess, in technicality, any Co- Should be merged with the task they are Co- for, since more than one, would be Co-. |
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areaseven
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Not a duplicate task, but still very questionable:
Announced Saw this task listed on Neon Genesis Evangelion: Death and Rebirth (movie), Neon Genesis Evangelion: The End of Evangelion (movie), Ghost in the Shell (movie), Ninja Scroll (movie) and Gensomaden Saiyuki: Requiem (movie). Is 'Announced' even a valid task? |
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