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Eureka 7 Question: Holland and Talho




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lhernan02



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:30 pm Reply with quote
I looked around the forum and encyclopedia and coud not find an answer to this question, but what is the actual relationship between these two?

I am not an avid E7 fan and have fallen asleep halfway through some eps, but its a good enough series and I try to keep up, but in Ep 38 (I think) spoiler[Talho is pregnant and I don't remember her and Holland "getting busy" in previous eps.] From what I have seen, their relationship appeared to be somewhere between ex-lovers/now friends and Talho's unrequited crush on Holland. In the encyclopedia reviews they sometimes list her as his girlfriend (I have not seen any signs of that in the show, yes she loves him, but it doesn't seem to go both ways, at least not completely).

Hopefully, someone will enlighted me on what is actually going on and I'll try to pay more attention in the future.

Thanks,


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varmintx



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:54 pm Reply with quote
First of all, there are already plenty of Eureka 7 threads here in frentymon's All your anime discussions thread that you could have posted this in. Second, the fact that she's spoiler[having his child] should give you some indication of the nature of their relationship. They don't have to show the spoiler[actual conception] you know Wink

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SharinganEyes92



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:06 pm Reply with quote
Talho is Holland's girlfriend and the pilot of the Gekkostate. Also, you might wanna' put spoiler tags around the information regarding Talho spoiler[being pregnant]. In the case of them not showing spoiler[Holland and Talho getting busy], it's pretty obvious that they wouldn't show graphic sexual intercourse. The show is aimed at teenagers, not at horny, middle-aged men who are only interested in watching anime characters get it on.... Sorry if you wanted details on how they conceived a child. As for why Holland can be so cold to her sometimes, it's because that's just how Holland is. He's a cold-hearted bastard, or at least for a majority of the series.
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lhernan02



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:26 pm Reply with quote
My God folks, RELAX. It was a simple question, I thought, and did not think I would have to reply explaining it.

First: Of course it is a children's show and there would be no nudity or sex (and regardless of SharinganEyes92's personal attack, I was not expecting any), but you would expect some form of affection between two people who spoiler[are "getting busy" (there, I said it again, call the police and start the bonfires) ]and I have not seen any signs of such a relationship.

Second: That she is spoiler[pregnant ]is why I question my view of the relationship and the factors (primarily lack of mutual affection) that led to my view. This question was not about when and how spoiler[she got pregnant ]but about when and how spoiler[an apparently platonic relatioship became amorous].

Final: Sorry about the lack of spoiler tags, that was my fault
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SharinganEyes92



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:06 pm Reply with quote
lhernan02 wrote:
My God folks, RELAX. It was a simple question, I thought, and did not think I would have to reply explaining it.

First: Of course it is a children's show and there would be no nudity or sex (and regardless of SharinganEyes92's personal attack, I was not expecting any), but you would expect some form of affection between two people who spoiler[are "getting busy" (there, I said it again, call the police and start the bonfires) ]and I have not seen any signs of such a relationship.

Second: That she is spoiler[pregnant ]is why I question my view of the relationship and the factors (primarily lack of mutual affection) that led to my view. This question was not about when and how spoiler[she got pregnant ]but about when and how spoiler[an apparently platonic relatioship became amorous].


Personal attack?! What did I say that offended you? Please enlighten me. If you did feel offended, then I sincerely apologize, for it was not my intention to offend you.

Though, to answer your question, I recall numerous times in which Holland and Talho showed affection for each other. You stated in your first post that you've slept through several episodes, so perhaps you missed several of these instances.

Also, in addition to what I said in an earlier post, it's common practice in Shounen titles, such as Eureka 7, to not describe how a child was conceived in any way, shape, or form. Look at Dragonball/Dragonball Z. Not once did they give details on how Gohan, Goten, or Trunks were born.
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lhernan02



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:45 pm Reply with quote
SharinganEyes92 wrote:

Personal attack?! What did I say that offended you? Please enlighten me. If you did feel offended, then I sincerely apologize, for it was not my intention to offend you.


The second through fourth sentences of your original post look like an attack to me, but I might be oversensitive, as most anime fans over 14, I am hypersentive about the "fact" that "all anime is kiddie porn" and anyone watching it is a perv.

SharinganEyes92 wrote:

Though, to answer your question, I recall numerous times in which Holland and Talho showed affection for each other. You stated in your first post that you've slept through several episodes, so perhaps you missed several of these instances.


You are right, I might have missed them, but there couldn't have been too many.

SharinganEyes92 wrote:

Also, in addition to what I said in an earlier post, it's common practice in Shounen titles, such as Eureka 7, to not describe how a child was conceived in any way, shape, or form. Look at Dragonball/Dragonball Z. Not once did they give details on how Gohan, Goten, or Trunks were born.


That may be the case in DBZ, but in E7, there is ample affection (always age appropriate) shown by all the couples in the GekkoState (you always know who is with who) except for Holland and Talho.

Anyway, my question seems to be answered, they were always together, he is just a cold bastard and she puts up with it.
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ManOfRust



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:54 pm Reply with quote
@SharinganEyes92 -- I think it may have been your "horny, middle-aged men who are only interested in watching anime characters get it on" comment that was offensive. Although I'm fairly sure it wasn't your intent, I also found that comment to be somewhat rude. Just because someone is middle aged (and even perhaps horny) doesn't mean they are watching anime for your stated reason. Wink

To the question at hand, I agree with the OP that Holland's relationship to Talho is kind of confusing. I admit that in following this series on TV I too have found it boring to a great extent and may have glossed over some details, but it is my impression that Holland and Talho were involved back in "the day" before the events of the current story. I think that at some point spoiler[ Holland's involvement with Eureka started to get in the way of his relationship with Talho, and they drifted apart. Talho continued to want to be with Holland, but he had taken an interest in Eureka that led him to be indecisive about his own feelings. Some of Talho's reactions to Holland early in the series show her frustration with Holland's indecisiveness. I think that he and Talho sort of continued on during this period, but that while Talho was ready to commit to Holland, he was still waiting to see what would happen with Eureka. Only when it became clear that Eureka's feelings were for Renton and not him was Holland finally able to get past her. IIRC, during one of his conversations with Renton, Holland expresses regret that Renton has ended up being the one Eureka has chosen, with the implication that he had hoped it would be him.]

I think that once that situation had resolved itself, then Holland and Talho's relationship became more certain. The fact that spoiler[ they discovered they are now going to have a child together was a story element used to help show the progression of the relationship past Holland's period of indecision, and that they indeed belong together.]

I don't have tons of confidence in my theory, though, and would also like to hear the views of others who are more familiar with the series and who actually enjoyed it enough to have seen it through more than once.
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bahamut623



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:24 pm Reply with quote
They make it pretty clear that they have an intimate relationship somewhere early on in the series; there's a scene with Talho and Holland waking up in the same bed and Talho was naked....so yea.
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goins007



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:30 pm Reply with quote
I think the main love of Hollands life was spoiler[Rentons sister]. I'm not to sure about the details but at some point Talho met Holland and followed him on his little quest. Probably out of romantic feelings for him. I don't know if Holland was ever romantically attracted to Eureka, I think he just felt like he should have been picked as the co-pilot for the Nirvash to get to the otherside of the wall spoiler[and to get back to Rentons sister.] But Talho some how got him as a shipboard booty call or something. There was one episode where he was sitting on his couch and she was sitting up in his bed with nothing but the blanket on. And after he finally got pushed into making some decisions he realized that Eureka had chosen Renton as her partner, and he wasn't going to see spoiler[Rentons sis] again so he hooked up with Talho who had been there for him thru the good and bad times.
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BoygetsfireD



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:12 pm Reply with quote
also, at various points in the series (I don't know if they are before or after where you have seen though--maybe it'll all be cleared up for you!), spoiler[Holland and Talho will be alone, and Holland's actions and words will show how much he needs Talho.] There is one specific example of this, but I can't find it right now (sorry :/ )
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