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The Frankman
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:43 pm |
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This question was asked by a friend of mine from another forum. I'm not sure of all the answers myself, so I was wondering if I could get some answers for him.
| Quote: | | This question refers to the orignial manga:
I wish to get some feedback from "the experts" but the question might be taken the wrong way, so let me say first that I do not discriminate against anyone for religous, sexual preference, or otherwise.
I was reading in chapter 2, and well I have to say I was shocked at what Mokoto was doing on her R&R...
is Mokoto a lesbian or bisexual cyborg? How exactly is she participaing the the act, is it a program, a drug, or a combination of the two? what? I asked a related question about Mokoto a few days ago, and now I'm even more puzzled.
If she is a lesbian, could that be the root of the cause for her "supreme" authority over the other members of section 9? |
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Kagemusha
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:55 pm |
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From what I read in the index and talked to some people, that infamous scene does not nessisarily mean that she is a lesbian. Motoko and her two friends are using software that allows them to go online (I presume the same server) and engage in sexual activity, and share their experience. So she would feel pleasure not only for herself, but from her two friends, making it even more pleasurable. It only works for members of the same sex because they have the same organs (which explains why Batou felt weird when he tapped into Motoko; he was experiencing immense pleasure from an organ that he did not have).
Yea, so basically Shirow used a bunch or technical jibberish as an excuse for a lesbian scene. It has no impact on the story, but it is pretty hot, so I won't complain.
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Haiseikoh 1973
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 2:32 am |
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Best guess is that Kusanagi is Bi-Sexual. Further in the Manga (forgot which chapter) she is in the company of a Man from another Section, but then again, her actions in the Manga, Movie, and TV Series may lean towards Bi-Sexual (maybe Lesbian?).
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bnewhall
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:01 pm |
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I'm under the impression that the movies and the TV show are not canon to Masamune Shirow. If there's a conflict between the movies/TV show and the manga, the manga is correct from Masamune Shirow's perspective.
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radicaledward
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:13 am |
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If you go off of the manga - then she is most likely bi-sexual. You may recall the once side story in which she is explaining how the androids are built - she was on a "date" with a girlfriend. However, as has been pointed out, she was living with a man during one of the stories as well.
While the movie(s), TV series, and game may not 100% created by Masamune Shirow they did have oversight by him, and the events in all of them are consistent with the Major being bi-sexual.
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kusanagi-sama
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:58 pm |
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Hmm... This makes me think. In regards to the episode where the Major's two friends are in the apartment with her, I wonder how Cartoon Network is going to handle that.
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Arkard
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:37 pm |
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I see it like this:
From what I read about Mokoto's artificial body - her skin and neurons are far more sensitive than the human's. Which means she has hightened senses - the ones including The Touch. I mean... she litereally experiences everything far more strogner than us humans. Which also means that - when she is receiving sexual stimulation - she feels far greater than us puny humans
So - I think that she and her friends linked up together... so HER FRIENDS could feel the greater sexual sensation. Note: they cant feel it themselves because Katsuragi is a cyborg. By stimulating HER, the friends feel the sexual pleasure that they could never done alone (because they are linked). They are.. hmm taking advantage of her cyborg body via neuron connections or something. And also - doesnt Katsuragi charge them for this?? I think she is... hmm selling sexual sensation by allowing other people to link with her and stimulate her and thus themselves in a depraved orgy
And my guess is that she is Bi. didn't mind so much when the 2 girls were doing her.
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m0n0t0ne
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 9:29 pm |
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How about because she can't get penetrated the normal way so she just jacks in to receive this pleasure, and just happens to like getting this pleasure from women because of there gentle touch.
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Kagemusha
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 9:40 pm |
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| Quote: | | From what I read about Mokoto's artificial body - her skin and neurons are far more sensitive than the human's. Which means she has hightened senses - the ones including The Touch. I mean... she litereally experiences everything far more strogner than us humans. Which also means that - when she is receiving sexual stimulation - she feels far greater than us puny humans
So - I think that she and her friends linked up together... so HER FRIENDS could feel the greater sexual sensation. Note: they can't feel it themselves because Katsuragi is a cyborg. By stimulating HER, the friends feel the sexual pleasure that they could never done alone (because they are linked). They are.. hmm taking advantage of her cyborg body via neuron connections or something. And also - doesnt Katsuragi charge them for this?? I think she is... hmm selling sexual sensation by allowing other people to link with her and stimulate her and thus themselves in a depraved orgy
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Yes, this is essensially what I read. Is she bisexual though? I could be that she simply wants to have a hightened sexual experience. This method of cyber sex provides her with far more pleasure than regular sex with a man. The book also mentions that because her body is so advanced, she can use it as a profitable side buisness; in other words, she could basically be lending he body to other women.
Geez, I can't believe we're having an in depth discussion on a lesbian scene...
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Kagemusha
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 9:40 pm |
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| Quote: | | From what I read about Mokoto's artificial body - her skin and neurons are far more sensitive than the human's. Which means she has hightened senses - the ones including The Touch. I mean... she litereally experiences everything far more strogner than us humans. Which also means that - when she is receiving sexual stimulation - she feels far greater than us puny humans
So - I think that she and her friends linked up together... so HER FRIENDS could feel the greater sexual sensation. Note: they can't feel it themselves because Katsuragi is a cyborg. By stimulating HER, the friends feel the sexual pleasure that they could never done alone (because they are linked). They are.. hmm taking advantage of her cyborg body via neuron connections or something. And also - doesnt Katsuragi charge them for this?? I think she is... hmm selling sexual sensation by allowing other people to link with her and stimulate her and thus themselves in a depraved orgy
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Yes, this is essensially what I read. Is she bisexual though? I could be that she simply wants to have a hightened sexual experience. This method of cyber sex provides her with far more pleasure than regular sex with a man. The book also mentions that because her body is so advanced, she can use it as a profitable side buisness; in other words, she could basically be lending he body to other women.
Geez, I can't believe we're having an in depth analyisis of a lesbian scene...
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Haiseikoh 1973
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:38 am |
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| m0n0t0ne wrote: | | How about because she can't get penetrated the normal way so she just jacks in to receive this pleasure, and just happens to like getting this pleasure from women because of there gentle touch. |
Damn, wish I could link to this one pic of the Major....
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Craeyst Raygal
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:06 am |
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Yeah, it's downright odd, 'musha. Welcome to the wonderful world of Shirow. Lewis Carroll has nothing on 'ol Masamune.
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Arkard
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:12 am |
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| Quote: | | Damn, wish I could link to this one pic of the Major.... |
hey, if you pay 8) and find a magical way inside a japanese comic then I dont see a problem
| Quote: | | Is she bisexual though? I could be that she simply wants to have a hightened sexual experience |
I see it that way: maybe to her it doesnt matter if it is a man or a woman.. she just wants "stimulation" In that particual scene she just happens to be with girls. In some way that is prostitution: she lets people use her body for their pleasure. He He
| Quote: | | Geez, I can't believe we're having an in depth analyisis of a lesbian scene... |
welcome to the world of anime
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Jadress
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:34 pm |
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The explanation is clear: Shirow is a man.
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Haiseikoh 1973
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 4:09 am |
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| Arkard wrote: | | Quote: | | Damn, wish I could link to this one pic of the Major.... |
hey, if you pay 8) and find a magical way inside a japanese comic then I don't see a problem
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No, it was an image I saw when I doing research into Skater Culture for a term paper about a year back.
I stumbled onto this artist website (Forgot whom, but it was the guy who did those Hook-Ups Artwork), and I looked around, and saw something titled "Ghost in the Shell."
To put it mildly, Kusanagi is engaging what could loosely be called "Cyber-Sex."
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