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TarsTarkas
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:07 pm
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Well, he may have burned some bridges there.
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Kon'Doriano
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:27 pm
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Ahh, so that's how it is. Well, best of luck to him if he decides to make another series at some point (it might be in his best interest to go for a monthly schedule too).
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harminia
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:28 pm
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Quote: | doing too much work that he passed out for an hour. |
I was going to make a joke about sheer dedication to butts, but it shows how dangerous the work ethic & workload in Japan is.
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mangamuscle
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:49 pm
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Quote: | He began by saying that he was told even before the anime aired that he should finish the manga after the anime finished. |
That makes absolutely no sense. The reason publishers invest money in producing an anime is to increase the sales of said manga (or LN, whichever the case). Either he is lying to cover for his publisher or someone at management had a personal grudge with the mangaka.
Quote: | the rumors that the anime's first home video volume only sold 715 units.... He said that the figure had "the number of digits wrong." |
He might have sold 1k+ units since sales shipped outside japan are not reported as part of the total. If he later says it sold 7150 units either he is lying or someone really want to kick Keijo into oblivion *insert conspiracy theory about japan olympics 2020*
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Megiddo
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:53 pm
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Oricon sales figures are never to be taken as exact numbers of copies sold. Oricon does not count all retailers and as mentioned do not count any purchases from outside Japan. Oricon sales figures are excellent when used relatively. Two series can be compared using their Oricon totals, however that doesn't mean that the figures are absolute totals.
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Mr. Oshawott
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:18 pm
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So it turns out Keijo might have fared better it appeared (even if only slightly)...
In any case, it's a total shame that Shōgakukan didn't give Mr. Sorayomi-san help when he asked for it. I wish him best of luck on his future.
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Davonepresley
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:39 pm
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This...doesn't make sense, at least to me. Quite frankly, why would Shokugan, or even the companies involved in the anime's production, bother even making an anime adaptation if the manga was already essentially doomed? Especially considering the fact that the anime came out 3+ years after the manga's debut. Like i said on Twitter, either the anime was a truly DESPERATE last ditch effort to increase sales, or the anime was just too far in development for the production committees to cancel it.
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Random Name
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:50 pm
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Guess it shows those oricon sales should really be taken with a grain of salt. Its cool to hear about real sales numbers the rest is kind of sad.
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ScruffyKiwi
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:56 pm
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Davonepresley wrote: | This...doesn't make sense, at least to me. Quite frankly, why would Shokugan, or even the companies involved in the anime's production, bother even making an anime adaptation if the manga was already essentially doomed? |
Just because a manga is finishing doesn't mean it's "Doomed" sales wise. There's hope that the volumes to come will be boosted along with earlier volumes. There have been several examples recently admittedly more story driven shows finishing the manga at the same time as the anime was broadcast (Erased, Your Lie in April) so it's not unprecedented. Besides Keijo had a pretty good run with 18 volumes!
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CrowLia
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:36 am
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ScruffyKiwi wrote: |
Davonepresley wrote: | This...doesn't make sense, at least to me. Quite frankly, why would Shokugan, or even the companies involved in the anime's production, bother even making an anime adaptation if the manga was already essentially doomed? |
Just because a manga is finishing doesn't mean it's "Doomed" sales wise. There's hope that the volumes to come will be boosted along with earlier volumes. There have been several examples recently admittedly more story driven shows finishing the manga at the same time as the anime was broadcast (Erased, Your Lie in April) so it's not unprecedented. Besides Keijo had a pretty good run with 18 volumes! |
That's different though. Your lie in April and Erased both told complete stories that reached their natural conclusions. Here the author is explicitly saying his series was cancelled and wasn't able to tell all the stories he wanted because the publisher asked him to wrap it up
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Lemonchest
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:09 am
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The manga publisher weren't involved with the production of the anime, afaik. From what he's saying, it seems they'd already written it off before its release & heck maybe only kept it going for the sake of trying to generate some piggyback sales. Thems the breaks, I guess.
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TheCanipaEffect
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:23 am
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mangamuscle wrote: |
Quote: | He began by saying that he was told even before the anime aired that he should finish the manga after the anime finished. |
That makes absolutely no sense. The reason publishers invest money in producing an anime is to increase the sales of said manga (or LN, whichever the case). Either he is lying to cover for his publisher or someone at management had a personal grudge with the mangaka.
Quote: | the rumors that the anime's first home video volume only sold 715 units.... He said that the figure had "the number of digits wrong." |
He might have sold 1k+ units since sales shipped outside japan are not reported as part of the total. If he later says it sold 7150 units either he is lying or someone really want to kick Keijo into oblivion *insert conspiracy theory about japan olympics 2020* |
Okay, should probably start by saying that Shogakukan is not on the production committee for Keijo's anime and that not all adaptations are solely for the purpose of promoting the original material. There's really no reason for him to lie.
And it's difficult to capture the scale of the difference in sales he was talking about through a single line of translation, but I've been informed that he infers the difference is huge and had the sentence "The sales were closer to 7000 than 700" approved by three different translators.
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samuelp
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:23 am
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Lemonchest wrote: | The manga publisher weren't involved with the production of the anime, afaik. From what he's saying, it seems they'd already written it off before its release & heck maybe only kept it going for the sake of trying to generate some piggyback sales. Thems the breaks, I guess. |
Rare but not unprecedented. Perhaps there was an anime planned by the publisher a year or two ago but they gave up on it. However someone else came in and provided the rest of the funds for it (maybe a figure maker, maybe a streamer like crunchyroll) and the publisher just went along with it.
It's perfectly possible for the publisher to be involved but not actually particularly invested.
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Яeverse
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:51 am
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How would they know how many were sold? All the publisher should know id how many didcs they printed and shipped. They could have shipped several thousand discs to stores that are still sitting on shelves and are heavily discounted.
didn't know shonen sunday adhered to the jump back of magazine least popular policy. Though reaching 18 volumes is quite a milestone.
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samuelp
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:56 am
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Яeverse wrote: | How would they know how many were sold? All the publisher should know id how many didcs they printed and shipped. They could have shipped several thousand discs to stores that are still sitting on shelves and are heavily discounted.
didn't know shonen sunday adhered to the jump back of magazine least popular policy. Though reaching 18 volumes is quite a milestone. |
Japan doesn't work on the wholesale retail system that the US does.
The maker will get reports from all the stores about exactly how many are sold each month.
Such data is also required for the royalty payments to the creators.
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