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velocet
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Group C-17
Lelouche Lamperouge, Code Geass vs. Reinhard, Legend of the Galactic Heroes vs. Voting For: Reinhard. There seems to be plenty of support for this guy in the face of the massive popularity of the other series, so that's enough to win my vote. Group C-18 Nabiki Tendo, Ranma 1/2 vs. Ken, Digimon Adventure 02 vs. Voting For: Nabiki Aw, if only Ken and Izzy had been reversed in their placements! Ken is a bright kid, but a lot of his grandest displays of intelligence are due to the influence of dark powers. Nabiki is sharp witted beyond belief, and even in the ramshackle mess that is the Tendo/Saotome family, she creates order from the chaos. Group C-19 Ginko, Mushishi Lupin, Lupin the 3rd vs. Voting For: Lupin Ooh, this is tough, as I'm about to finish Mushi-shi and I'm quite enchanted by Ginko. However, I think Lupin uses his intelligence more creatively than Ginko does. Ginko is more like a doctor who has taken years to memorise and administer appropriate treatments and remedies, which does indeed take a lot of intellgence, but at it's core it's still just a lot of memorisation. Lupin's kind of intelligence is the kind that relies on quick thinking and being able to scheme his way out of tough situations - it gives him a slight edge, even though I prefer Ginko's series far, far more. Group C-20 Gendo Ikari, Neon Genesis Evangelion vs. Griffith, Berserk vs. Voting For: Griffith I didn't think Gendo should have won last round, so this is a default. Group C-21 Lumiere, Kiddy Grade vs. Teletha "Tessa" Testarossa, Full Metal Panic franchise vs. Voting For: Tessa I'm pretty blank-minded about both, but a lot of people in nominations seemed to think she was something special, though I honestly don't recall her being terribly impressive. Group C-22 Kiichi Goto, Patlabor franchise vs. Kazukiyo Gowa, Gasaraki Voting For: Kiichi Goto He's wonderful. Very smart man indeed. Group C-23 Yuki Nagato, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya vs. Nico Robin, One Piece vs. Voting For: Robin The agony! I've been going back and forth on this all week, and I just can't not vote for Robin. I don't think Yuki got all the credit she deserves, but Robin is a better choice. She's a very intelligent woman, who uses her smarts to their fullest extent in many different ways thoughout her appearances in One Piece, either as Miss All Sunday, the manipulative 2nd in command of Baroque Works, the bookworm kid who taught herself a complicated dead language to decipher the Poneglyph Stones or as the calm, collected historian chasing her dream, Robin is a fantastic character with masses of intelligence. Group C-24 Nagi Kirima, Boogiepop Phantom Johan Liebert, Monster Voting For: Johan I liked Nagi, but I get the feeling that Johan is the right choice here. |
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Aylinn
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It's true that the betrayal was to be expected but everything Shneizel presented was highly dubious evidence. That's why I wrote the Black Knights are lucky that Shneizel didn’t lie to them. LoGH also dealt with betrayal but it was not as lousy presented as betrayal in CG R2. It didn't make spoiler[Reuental] look dumb. If I remember correctly Reinhard claimed that power is something that should be seized and if his son loses power then so be it. Reinhard never intended to create a country that would survive after his death. |
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Ggultra2764
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After 6 days and 24 votes, here are unofficial current scores I've racked up:
Match C-17: Lelouch Lamperogue leads 15-9. Match C-18: Nabiki Tendo leads 19-5. Match C-19: Lupin leads 21-3. Match C-20: Griffith leads 16-8. Match C-21: Teletha Testarossa leads 17-7. Match C-22: Kiichi Goto leads 21-3. Match C-23: Tied 12-12. Match C-24: Johan Liebert leads 20-4. With exception to the Yuki-Robin match, seems all other matches are decided. |
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braves
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Group C-17
Lelouch Lamperouge, Code Geass vs. Reinhard, Legend of the Galactic Heroes Reinhard. Payback for that crappy first episode in R2. 
Group C-18 Nabiki Tendo, Ranma 1/2 vs. Ken, Digimon Adventure 02 Ken. Group C-19 Ginko, Mushishi vs. Lupin, Lupin III franchise Lupin. Group C-20 Gendo Ikari, Neon Genesis Evangelion vs. Griffith, Berserk Griffith. Group C-21 Lumiere, Kiddy Grade vs. Teletha “Tessa” Testarossa, Full Metal Panic! franchise Lumiere. Group C-22 Kiichi Goto, Patlabor franchise vs. Kazukiyo Gowa, Gasaraki Kiichi Goto. Group C-23 Yuki Nagato, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya vs. Nico Robin, One Piece Nico Robin. Group C-24 Nagi Kirima, Boogiepop Phantom vs. Johan Liebert, Monster Johan. |
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nightjuan
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Yes. If you ask me, more would have been required in order to convince viewers who approach the issue rationally, demanding an exhaustive analysis of the evidence, and that is a clear scripting or planning flaw (one of several in Code Geass R2). But on the other hand, you could say the scene was set up from a dramatic or theatrical perspective, first and foremost. Accordingly, there were also other elements present in the mix, such as spoiler[pre-existing doubts, Lelouch's recent behavior and Ougi's willingness to sell Zero out in exchange for Japan. Before he entered the picture, things weren't looking that good but Schneizel still met some resistance. From the perspective of the audience, Ougi's motivations were rather weak-minded and personal, of course, but his intervention was still dramatically important given his role.] That's why I admit that the writing behind it could have been better, but I don't find what did happen to be entirely out of the question.
That's true, but while he was certainly prepared for the possibility in generic terms, in practice spoiler[Reuental's betrayal] did surprise him. LOGH dedicated more time to set up that particular development and its eventual outcome, which is a plus, but that still felt a bit overly convoluted in terms of how it came to pass even if you come to accept the perpetrator's thought process. |
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teekay
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Group C-17
Lelouche Lamperouge, Code Geass vs. Reinhard, Legend of the Galactic Heroes Voting For: Lelouche Lamperouge Group C-18 Nabiki Tendo, Ranma 1/2 vs. Ken, Digimon Adventure 02 Voting For: Nabiki Tendo Group C-19 Ginko, Mushishi vs. Lupin, Lupin the 3rd Voting For: Ginko Group C-20 Gendo Ikari, Neon Genesis Evangelion vs. Griffith, Berserk Voting For: Griffith Group C-21 Lumiere, Kiddy Grade vs. Teletha "Tessa" Testarossa, Full Metal Panic franchise Voting For: Teletha "Tessa" Testarossa Group C-22 Kiichi Goto, Patlabor franchise vs. Kazukiyo Gowa, Gasaraki Voting For: Kiichi Goto Group C-23 Yuki Nagato, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya vs. Nico Robin, One Piece Voting For: Yuki Nagato Group C-24 Nagi Kirima, Boogiepop Phantom vs. Johan Liebert, Monster Voting For: Johan Liebert |
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dtm42
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VOTE CHANGE for C-23
Throwing Minigame results to the wind, I'm changing my vote from Yuki to Nico. Since I'm not going to get any points anyway, I might as well take action to block a near-emotionless computer getting past this round. If I was smart I would have made a deal with someone who voted for Lelouch over Reinhard and Yuki over Nico. I would have offered them a vote for Yuki if they gave me a vote for Reinhard. Oh well, can't have everything (including intelligence). I do not regret picking Reinhard over Lelouch for my Minigame sheet. And I'm not angry that my arguments for Reinhard failed to sway people. I just wish that more people had gotten to see how bad R2 eventually becomes, and that more people had the honour of watching such an amazing show that is Legend of the Galactic Heroes. But like I said before, can't have everything. |
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Ggultra2764
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About 20 minutes to go. Yuki-Robin's the only close match at 14-12 in Robin's favor. Still time for voting to shift in Yuki's favor.
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Key
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Round 2 Group C is now closed.
Official results can be found here. Despite a valiant effort by Reinhard supporters, they could not overcome Lelouch and his Black Knights. The only other seriously competitive match - and the one which went down to the wire - was Nico Robin's narrow elimination of Yuki Nagato. Yuki supporters can take heart in the fact that Nico now gets to lose to Johan, however. 
Anyway, the next group should be up momentarily. And don't forget to forward any recommendations on "gee, I look smart here" scenes for this group's survivors, as video clips will start for next round. (I'm told that ccdx already has them mostly set up for Groups A and B.) |
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Key
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Round 2 Group D is now closed.
And so we wrap up the second round. This bracket saw a few big blow-outs last round but also a couple of close ones. This one seems to offer some especially intriguing match-ups, so let's get to it! Guide: Group D Guide Group D-17 Light Yagami, Death Note vs. Daedalus Yumeno, Ergo Proxy Winner: Light Total: 19-3 Group D-18 Taichi Hiraga-Keaton, Master Keaton vs. Katsuhiko Jinnai, El Hazard franchise Winner: Keaton Total: 20-2 Group D-19 Washu Hakubi, Tenchi Muyo! franchise vs. Kanone Hilbert, Spiral Winner: Washu Total: 19-3 Group D-20 Joker, Read or Die vs. Nami, One Piece Winner: Joker Total: 14-8 Group D-21 Medicine Seller, Mononoke vs. Maximilien Robespierre, Le Chevalier d'Eon Tie - both advance! Total: 11-11 Group D-22 Balalaika, Black Lagoon vs. Kugen Tenko, Wagaya no Oinarisama Winner: Balalaika Total: 12-10 Group D-23 Shimei Yuuki, Starship Operators vs. Shi Ryuuki, Story of Saiunkoku Winner: Shi Total: 19-3 Group D-24 Hakuoro, Utawarerumono vs. Aramaki Daisuke, Ghost in the Shell franchise Winner: Aramaki Total: 19-3 Last edited by Key on Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:44 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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Group D-17 Light Yagami, Death Note vs. Daedalus Yumeno, Ergo Proxy Voting For: Reason: Possibility of Change: Group D-18 Taichi Hiraga-Keaton, Master Keaton vs. Katsuhiko Jinnai, El Hazard franchise Voting For: Reason: Possibility of Change: Group D-19 Washu Hakubi, Tenchi Muyo franchise vs. Kanone Hilbert, Spiral Voting For: Reason: Possibility of Change: Group D-20 Joker, Read or Die vs. Nami, One Piece Voting For: Reason: Possibility of Change: Group D-21 Medicine Seller, Mononoke vs. Maximillien Robespierre, Le Chevalier d'Eon Voting For: Reason: Possibility of Change: Group D-22 Balalaika, Black Lagoon vs. Kugen Tenko, Wagaya no Oinarisama Voting For: Reason: Possibility of Change: Group D-23 Shimei Yuuki, Starship Operators vs. Shi Ryuuki, Story of Saiunkoku Voting For: Reason: Possibility of Change: Group D-24 Hakuoro, Utawarerumono vs. Aramaki Daisuke, Ghost in the Shell franchise Voting For: Reason: Possibility of Change: |
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zawa113
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Vote Change Group D-22
Group D-17 Daedalus Yumeno, Ergo Proxy I'm rather undecided right now, but since I expect Light to win this in a landslide, just one for the non-seed. potential of change: high Group D-18 Taichi Hiraga-Keaton, Master Keaton I seriously think Keaton should still be safe this round, he's just way to smart to not go on for at least one more round. And he can still disarm a bomb with chocolate, nothing has changed there. His overly impressive skills of everything warrant him through this round at least. potential of change: none Group D-19 Washu Hakubi, Tenchi Muyo! franchise I like her wacky antics and charm potential of change: low Group D-20 Joker, Read or Die guide potential of change: medium Group D-21 Medicine Seller, Mononoke I really need to watch Mononoke, don't I? He sounds a lot like Ginko, except without the mushi. potential of change: so-so Changed Group D-22 Kugen Tenko well, I did say I pretty much tossed a coin here and since I see support against Balalakia (whose name is still fun and entertaining to say), I hereby change my vote against her/him (see, I don't even know which gender Balalakia is) potential of change: not really anymore Group D-23 Shi Ryuuki, Story of Saiunkoku gudie potential of change: yep Group D-24 Hakuoro, Utawarerumono I think Aramaki is the only seed whom I know nothing about. based on the guide entry, I'm going with Hakuoro. potential of change: yeah, its there somewhere. Last edited by zawa113 on Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:44 am; edited 1 time in total |
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dtm42
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VOTE CHANGE for D-22
Thankyou to Dorcas_Aurelia for the template. Note that most of my votes are up for grabs, despite what I wrote for my reasons. Light is the exception. Let the persuasive arguments begin. Group D-17 Light Yagami, Death Note vs. Daedalus Yumeno, Ergo Proxy Voting For: Light. Reason: He's smarter. Group D-18 Taichi Hiraga-Keaton, Master Keaton vs. Katsuhiko Jinnai, El Hazard franchise Voting For: Keaton. Reason: I am impressed with his skills. Group D-19 Washu Hakubi, Tenchi Muyo franchise vs. Kanone Hilbert, Spiral Voting For: Kanone Hilbert. Reason: Coin Toss. Group D-20 Joker, Read or Die vs. Nami, One Piece Voting For: Joker. Reason: Minigame. Group D-21 Medicine Seller, Mononoke vs. Maximillien Robespierre, Le Chevalier d'Eon Voting For: Maximillien. Reason: Just like his personality; he makes a good plotter. Group D-22 Balalaika, Black Lagoon vs. Kugen Tenko, Wagaya no Oinarisama Voting For: Kugen Reason: Dorcas_Aurelia Group D-23 Shimei Yuuki, Starship Operators vs. Shi Ryuuki, Story of Saiunkoku Voting For: Shi Ryuuki. Reason: I know she's smart. Do you? Group D-24 Hakuoro, Utawarerumono vs. Aramaki Daisuke, Ghost in the Shell franchise Voting For: Hakuoro. Reason: Eh, Aramaki is probably better, but this is a sympathy vote. Last edited by dtm42 on Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:16 am; edited 2 times in total |
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LydiaDianne
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Group D-17
Light Yagami, Death Note vs. Daedalus Yumeno, Ergo Proxy I really don't like Light and because of the Guide, Daedalus gets the vote. Group D-18 Taichi Hiraga-Keaton, Master Keaton vs. Katsuhiko Jinnai, El Hazard franchise I'm going with Katsuhiko Jinnai...because of the manical laugh Group D-19 Washu Hakubi, Tenchi Muyo! franchise vs. Kanone Hilbert, Spiral Sticking with my girl Washu - Besides scientists beat the average school boy brainiac anyway. Group D-20 Joker, Read or Die vs. Nami, One Piece Sticking with Joker Group D-21 Medicine Seller, Mononoke vs. Maximilien Robespierre, Le Chevalier d'Eon Staying with Max in this round as well. Group D-22 Balalaika, Black Lagoon vs. Kugen Tenko, Wagaya no Oinarisama I'm sticking with Balalaika. Group D-23 Shimei Yuuki, Starship Operators vs. Shi Ryuuki, Story of Saiunkoku Staying with Shi Ryuuki. Group D-24 Hakuoro, Utawarerumono vs. Aramaki Daisuke, Ghost in the Shell franchise Both characters here have Guide descriptions that are very similar but I'm going with Hakuroro because he went further than Aramaki. |
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Key
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Since I happen to still be on, guess I'll vote early this time.
Group D-17 Light Yagami, Death Note vs. Daedalus Yumeno, Ergo Proxy Regardless of what you may personally think of Light, he utterly outclasses Daedalus here with his mental gymnastics. This one should not even be remotely close. Group D-18 Taichi Hiraga-Keaton, Master Keaton vs. Katsuhiko Jinnai, El Hazard franchise Katsuhiko Jinnai has a sharp mind hidden behind that megalomaniacal bluster, but everything I've heard about Taichi Hiraga-Keaton suggests that he is the stronger competitor here. Group D-19 Washu Hakubi, Tenchi Muyo! franchise vs. Kanone Hilbert, Spiral Kanone had some nice arguments in his favor last round, but he is nowhere close to Washu's level. He just can't compete with "the greatest scientific mind in the galaxy!" After all, this is a woman who can invent time machines, create super-powered artificial life forms and extradimensional pockets, and even develop a weapon capable of destroying the entire universe. What can Kanone possibly show to compete with that? Group D-20 Joker, Read or Die vs. Nami, One Piece Not crazy about either choice here. Barring some compelling arguments, Joker by a slim margin. Group D-21 Medicine Seller, Mononoke vs. Maximilien Robespierre, Le Chevalier d'Eon Not crazy about either choice here, either, so I'll go with familiarity. Robespierre showed his scheming adequately enough to deserve his place and an advancement to the next round. Group D-22 Balalaika, Black Lagoon vs. Kugen Tenko, Wagaya no Oinarisama After seeing the rest of The Second Barrage, I respect Balalaika a whole lot more (she is not someone you want to have as an enemy!), but arguments made last time convinced me that Kugen Tenko has the cleverness necessary to be slightly more deserving of advancing here. Group D-23 Shimei Yuuki, Starship Operators vs. Shi Ryuuki, Story of Saiunkoku Were this Sinon (the Ameratsu's tactician and SO's most prominent character, who was stunningly overlooked in the nominations) we were talking about here instead of Shimei, I'd be voting differently. Shimei is really just a second-class mind from his respective series, however, whereas what I've seen of Shi Ryuuki has convinced me that he can be quite the sharp and capable young man when he wants to be. Group D-24 Hakuoro, Utawarerumono vs. Aramaki Daisuke, Ghost in the Shell franchise Now this is an interesting match-up here, as you have a guy who exploits his tactical and organizational ability sufficiently to become an emperor by his own making vs. the leader of a special ops cybercrime unit in possibly the most cerebral sci fi anime franchise ever made. I cannot imagine Aramaki even being seriously challenged in this match-up, and he'll get my vote, too, but based on pure merit this match-up should be a lot closer than it's going to be. EDIT: Hmmm, the first three votes were all for Hakuoro. I may have to re-think my comments above. . . Last edited by Key on Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:38 am; edited 1 time in total |
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